Argentines with Armenian surnames

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Eurnekian







Arslanian





Gostanian



Melconian







Karadagian



Nalbandian






I know that Nalbandian is half italian, I dont know if the others are "all" armenian, but most likely the old ones are

[yolas]

caltagirone is that you?

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Nooo,LMAO!

I am PlanAustral

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Can they pass for turks, yolas?

[drooperdoo]

They all seem "Armenian" in surname, but European in phenotype--leading one to assume that their mothers are of Iberian, Italian and German descent [which are not uncommon in Argentina]. And they may be even less Armenian than that. Look at Argentine writer Jorge Luis Borges. His father is a case forcefully in point: Borges's father had an English mother, and his father was half-Spanish and half-Portuguese. So he was only 1/4th Spanish!

I suspect that the blond tennis-player with the Armenian surname is probably something like that: 1/4th or 1/8th Armenian. Happens all the time in the Americas.

In any case--leaving the tennis player aside--they're far, far more fair than the typical "Turk" (such as this guy, who is far more statistically representative.)



--although, yes, Turkey has certain fair types. But they're rare. (I'm thinking Circassians, Chechyns, etc.)

Anatolia's aboriginal Armenian population is not stereotypically European-looking like most of the Argentines posted--who look more Italian or Spanish, than Near Eastern.

I'm swarthy as heck for a European, and I was told by my uncle who lived in Germany that I wasn't dark enough to pass for a Turk.



Seeing some of them, I was forced to concur. And these Argentines are, on the whole, fairer than I am.

So, no, they look like they'd be slightly out of place in Turkey.

* Footnote: It must be borne in mind that famous "Turks," like Kemal Mustafa--i.e., Ataturk--was not ethnically Turkish. The blond-haired, blue-eyed leader was born in the old Ottoman Empire when it stretched as far up as the Ukraine. His ancestry was from the Danube in Europe. From there, they migrated down to Salonaika in Greece. In any case, when the Ottoman Empire broke up and "Turkey" was created, they tried hard to make the new country feel like it was ethnically coherent--which it never was. So, occasionally, you get light-skinned, fair-eyed people in Turkey whose ancestors were from Europe--yet they nevertheless [deceptively] carry Turkish passports . . . even though they're no more "ethnically Turkish" than Ataturk.

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Armenians are not as foreign looking as you think, they basically look similar to jews but with less variation.

Only Nalbandian and maybe Melconian who may fit italy or south east europe better dont look like typical armenians from those I posted. The rest look like armenians.


The president of Armenia





Other armenian politicians











2 famous half armenian celebrities

Agassi, His father (armenian from Iran) changed the surname from Agassian to Agassi



Kasparov half armenian half jew

[tyrannos]

Eric Bogosian

[drooperdoo]

Andre Agassi's mom is Anglo-American, by the way--which disqualifies him from the running of "Poster Boy For Pure Armenian Phenotype".

Heck, the term "Armenoid" is based on Armenians for a reason--statistics.

Statistically, they look more Near Eastern than Euro Med. Although we have to stick to the distinction that was made at the top of the thread: It asked if they looked like TURKS.

The dark photos I posted were of Turks--not Armenians.

(Armenians are generally lighter than most Turks.) Or, at least, so I've noticed.

When one says "Turk," there's a wholly different connotation. When one says "Turk" in Europe it means dark and it means "Muslim" . . . not "Armenian" and "Christian".

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drooperdoo said:

Andre Agassi's mom is Anglo-American, by the way--which disqualifies him from the running of "Poster Boy For Pure Armenian Phenotype".

Heck, the term "Armenoid" is based on Armenians for a reason--statistics.

Statistically, they look more Near Eastern than Euro Med. Although we have to stick to the distinction that was made at the top of the thread: It asked if they looked like TURKS.

The dark photos I posted were of Turks--not Armenians.

(Armenians are generally lighter than most Turks.) Or, at least, so I've noticed.

I know he is not a poster for pure armenian, In my post I wrote 2 half armenian celebrities.

The near east is a big place, arrmenians for sure dont look like palestinians, altough they resemble some kurds, turks, jews syrians, georgians, assyrians etc, I would say they look caucasian (and by caucasian I mean the mountains, not the race) and most similar to dinarids, not to mediterraneansl

This is how platypus classified them in gareth´s forum

Eurnekian

Mediterranid/Iranid in frontal shot

Arslanian
Dinarid (or Armenid) Alpinid

Gostanian
hard to tell could be Dinaroid

Malconian
Dinaric, at least in frontal shots

Karadagian

more tipically Near Eastern Armenid

Nalbandian

Noric


I think in Turkey you can find both people much lighter than armenians, slavic looking and also people much darker (it is a big country)

[drooperdoo]

Turturro,
You're actually onto something when you say that Armenians sometimes look Caucasian. In point of fact, they have a Caucasian strain to their national composition. Hell, they're right next to Georgia, geographically!

It would be retarded to assume that there was a giant barrier between the two peoples!

But, archaeologically--- Armenians [like most peoples] are a composite race. They originated in the Balkans and were--according to the founding legends--driven out of Europe by the Cimmerians. From there, they went to Anatolia, and, from there, to their current location, straddling Eastern Anatolia and the Southern Caucasus. There they mixed with local Hurrian tribes. Hurrians were neither Aryan nor Semite. They were the progenitors of the Georgians and other Caucasian races.

Kurds, too, long thought to be Indo-Iranian, turned out to be Aryanized Hurrians. [The very term "Kurd" is thought to be descended from "Hurrian".] You know how that region goes back and forth between H's and K's [e.g., Hannukah/Channukah, etc.]

So Hurrian became "Hurd," which we transliterate in the West as "Kurd".

In any case, Kurds and Armenians both have sizable contributions from pre-existing Hurrians and are very close genetically--due, doubtless, to their common Hurrian component and similar geographic distribution.

[tyrannos]

The Azeri's have been proven genetically to be a Causasian or Iranian people as another example. They were Turkified in language.

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you guys should keep in mind not al -ian names are Armenian 65% of Iranian Jews in Ny have -ian ending Ian names I belive Melnorme once mentioned this too.

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There are no iranian jews in Argentina.

And Agassi´s father I dont think is one, in tennis message boards you always see persians (iranians) anf armenians fighting over whether Agassi is persian or armenian (pathetic, they dont seem to realize Agassi is half gringo), but Ive never seen him claimed as jew.

I used to think Agassi was italian because agassi sounded kind of italian to me, later I discovered his father changed his surname to make it sound less ethnic, It seems that is common in the USA, changing your surname to make it sound less ethnic.

the old man next to tonny bennet is agassi´s father

www.vegastennis.com/articles/2006/may/03/no_name/tb-MIKE_AGASSI_TIM_BLENKIRON_TONY_BENNETT.jpg

[yolas]

I think all of these people could pass for Turkish. In fact, I think Armenians look like central/eastern anatolian Turks. Except that tennis player would be atypical, although there are blonds/colored eyed people here who look different. he'd be a rare type. kinda looks like this turkish model: ( the guy )



to drooperdoo

Turkey is not as dark as you think. Obviously you've never been to Turkey. darkest people here you can find are kurds, ethnical Turks and other Turkish citizens are lighter than what you think of them. here's me, and i'm an average type in Turkey. there are many people that's lighter than me here.




Here, in that website which i'm also a member of, you can see how really Turks looks like:

www.wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32828

[drooperdoo]

Yolas,
"Turkey" is a country, not an ethnic type. It's too heterogenous to pretend that the word "Turk" means one thing.

If you scroll up, you'll see I mentioned blond-haired, blue-eyed Kemal Ataturk. I then mentioned fair-complected Chechyns and Circassians in the political zone named "Turkey" today.

Then I mentioned darker Eastern-Mediterranean types like Armenians and Kurds.

These are far more representative of Anatolia than, say, Ataturk--whose ancestry lies in the Danube.

What's your own background? I'm curious. And don't say "Turkish". That's a made-up country, a new political invention minted in the 20th Century.

Go back further. Are you ethnically Anatolian? Are your ancestors from Central Asia? Were they from the European zone of the old Ottoman Empire?

Be specific.

P.S.--Don't bristle because of generalizations. This whole board is about generalizations. What are ethnic "types" if not generalizations? What I mean is: It's silly to pretend that when Turks move to Germany, no one can tell a difference. Of course they can. It's as silly as pretending that a Swede moving to Syria wouldn't stand out. We can all find a few atypical examples of blond Syrians. But it would be silly to pretend that--statistically--Syrians are as fair as Swedes. So don't take it as an insult if I say that ethnic Anatolians tend to be darker Eastern Mediterranean types. It's a stereotype, yes. And it might not hold in 100% of the cases. But, on average, you know it's true.