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Post by tyrannos on Jan 29, 2007 7:12:52 GMT -5
The irony of today's white supremacists is the fact their ideological father, the Austrian with the funny mustache, was responsible for the deaths of millions of so-called "Aryans" (Germans, Brits and various other white Europeans). Of course, this contradiction doesn't register with them. I don't think its that simple. Hitler had support from many United States bigwigs and bankers and Hitler adopted many racial views and laws from Colonial Britain and the early 20th century USA. Besides I think they were all looking for a war,and honesty it wouldn't surprise me of the whole thing was a sham,a costly one,but a sham none the less. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 29, 2007 8:57:27 GMT -5
The irony of today's white supremacists is the fact their ideological father, the Austrian with the funny mustache, was responsible for the deaths of millions of so-called "Aryans" (Germans, Brits and various other white Europeans). Of course, this contradiction doesn't register with them. That's a great point. I've often wondered about the same thing. Along the same lines, look at how the Japanese treated the Chinese and the Koreans (not a perfect analogy, I know) and how the Hutus treated the Tutsis (and vice versa). It just reminds you to look at the big picture. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 29, 2007 9:01:21 GMT -5
The irony of today's white supremacists is the fact their ideological father, the Austrian with the funny mustache, was responsible for the deaths of millions of so-called "Aryans" (Germans, Brits and various other white Europeans). Of course, this contradiction doesn't register with them. I don't think its that simple. Hitler had support from many United States bigwigs ad bankers and Hitler adopted many racial views and laws from Colonial Britain and the early 20th century USA. Besides I think they were all looking for a war,and honesty it wouldn't surprise me of the whole thing was a sham,a costly one,but a sham none the less. Do you think that Adolf Hitler was just a figurehead for the Illuminati? I've heard the conspiracy theory that the group that controls the world pitted one side against the other to achieve their evil goals. I'm not saying that I believe that BTW. I've just heard one or two tales like that. |
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Post by polecat on Jan 29, 2007 16:50:07 GMT -5
even in Tolkien's books "swarthy people" Easterlings are inferior to others and more prone to evil
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Post by praetorian on Jan 29, 2007 17:01:06 GMT -5
Not really. Orc are exagerated representions of Mongols from a very European point of view though.
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Post by Anodyne on Jan 29, 2007 17:42:23 GMT -5
even in Tolkien's books "swarthy people" Easterlings are inferior to others and more prone to evil The Dunlending were also "somewhat swarthy." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DunlendingI think the men of Esgaroth (from The Hobbit) are related to the Dunlendings, but on wikipedia it says they're related to the men of Rohan. That sounds somewhat familiar. Interestingly the Dunedains are distant relatives of the Dunlendings (so says wikipedia but that sounds familiar)Dunedain have dark hair with grey eyes. I think there was supposed to be three houses of man who are distinct from the other races of man (rohan, dundelings, etc.") because of the knowledge they acquired from the Elves. Of the three houses one is dark haired with grey eyes, another blond, and another that I don't recall. I think the Dunedain were a mixture of the three houses, but one physical type dominated. All of this is in the Silmarillion, which I don't feel like looking through. I used to know all this stuff years ago. Ever notice how many avatars on skadi are related to fantasy? Makes me reminisce, and it alos says much about the people who post there. On a side note, and not even related to the topic at all, I had a dwarf character whom I would get into fist fights with Elves. I would have my character beat them up and shove them in my "bag of holding," which was a magical bag that allowed you to carry as much as 500 pounds (or maybe more). Then I'd rip the bag so they'd be floating inbetween worlds. Man, that was awesome. I was such a dork. |
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Post by Anodyne on Jan 29, 2007 17:51:16 GMT -5
I don't think its that simple. Hitler had support from many United States bigwigs ad bankers and Hitler adopted many racial views and laws from Colonial Britain and the early 20th century USA. Besides I think they were all looking for a war,and honesty it wouldn't surprise me of the whole thing was a sham,a costly one,but a sham none the less. Do you think that Adolf Hitler was just a figurehead for the Illuminati? I've heard the conspiracy theory that the group that controls the world pitted one side against the other to achieve their evil goals. I'm not saying that I believe that BTW. I've just heard one or two tales like that. Not addressed to me but I would like to throw in my two cents. I don't believe in a so called Illumanati, but I do believe that people with common interests come together to influence policy. Often they help people, and organizations, who would further their ends because they have somewhat similar goals. In some cases they may not agree with the people they are funding but they understand that person's, or organization's, success will benefit them to a point. And, in some cases, influence is used to keep the organizations, and people, they fund in check. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 29, 2007 21:12:15 GMT -5
Do you think that Adolf Hitler was just a figurehead for the Illuminati? I've heard the conspiracy theory that the group that controls the world pitted one side against the other to achieve their evil goals. I'm not saying that I believe that BTW. I've just heard one or two tales like that. Not addressed to me but I would like to throw in my two cents. I don't believe in a so called Illumanati, but I do believe that people with common interests come together to influence policy. Often they help people, and organizations, who would further their ends because they have somewhat similar goals. In some cases they may not agree with the people they are funding but they understand that person's, or organization's, success will benefit them to a point. And, in some cases, influence is used to keep the organizations, and people, they fund in check. That's my take on it too. Dwight Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial complex, but that's just one aspect of the shadow rulers.. There is a group of people, however organized, who control the policies of the western governments behind the scenes via conferences and think tanks. I doubt that they're direct extensions of the Bavarian Illuminati, but it's fascinating to connect the dots like Jim Marrs does in "Rule By Secrecy". |
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Post by Anodyne on Jan 29, 2007 22:19:21 GMT -5
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Post by tyrannos on Jan 29, 2007 22:36:18 GMT -5
I don't think its that simple. Hitler had support from many United States bigwigs ad bankers and Hitler adopted many racial views and laws from Colonial Britain and the early 20th century USA. Besides I think they were all looking for a war,and honesty it wouldn't surprise me of the whole thing was a sham,a costly one,but a sham none the less. Do you think that Adolf Hitler was just a figurehead for the Illuminati? I've heard the conspiracy theory that the group that controls the world pitted one side against the other to achieve their evil goals. I'm not saying that I believe that BTW. I've just heard one or two tales like that. It wouldnt surprise one bit. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 30, 2007 0:05:04 GMT -5
I take most conspiracy theories with a grain of salt. There are two main exceptions. The first involves the murders of the Kennedys and King. The second involves unelected people who have undue influence over governmental policies. Jim Marrs's general position might be wrong, but he makes the implausible sound plausible. "Rule By Secrecy" is akin to a conspiracy theory version of the unified field theory. Alex Jones sounds quite convincing too because he uses extant sources, although he probably interprets them to support his views. David Icke and Texe Marrs (no relation to Jim AFAIK) make such bizarre claims that it almost seems like they're engaged in disinformation campaigns to discredit the people who are on the right track. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 30, 2007 0:07:17 GMT -5
Do you think that Adolf Hitler was just a figurehead for the Illuminati? I've heard the conspiracy theory that the group that controls the world pitted one side against the other to achieve their evil goals. I'm not saying that I believe that BTW. I've just heard one or two tales like that. It wouldnt surprise one bit. Why do you say that? I'm interested. |
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Post by tyrannos on Jan 30, 2007 4:07:30 GMT -5
Well there's been a number of theories and docmentaries on the subject and Hitler's relationship with the Vril or Thule Society...along with the other "Societies" in Britain and the USA.
Some if is compelling,some of it is fantasy,but the more you look into things the less clear everything becomes.
*Dan Brown or David Icke are both far from original by the way,but somehow they picked up a following. Maybe they are agents? ;D
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Post by Jack on Jan 30, 2007 8:18:20 GMT -5
Well there's been a number of theories and docmentaries on the subject and Hitler's relationship with the Vril or Thule Society...along with the other "Societies" in Britain and the USA. Some if is compelling,some of it is fantasy,but the more you look into things the less clear everything becomes. *Dan Brown or David Icke are both far from original by the way,but somehow they picked up a following. Maybe they are agents? ;D Yeah, Hitler was influenced by secret societies. He would be considered a New-Ager if he was alive today. The whole Nazi society was steeped in occult and pagan stuff. It took mainstream sources years to mention it. Dan Brown based his book and movie on a centuries-old legend about the literal descendants of Jesus Christ, and many aspects of the myth have been proven to be elaborate hoaxes. I think that David Icke based his ideas on UFO lore and "V", an old TV show about shape-shifting reptilian ETs who take over the world. He might have borrowed from Sitchin too. Check out Texe Marrs if you really want to read some insane conspiracy theories. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 30, 2007 8:23:59 GMT -5
Besides I think they were all looking for a war,and honesty it wouldn't surprise me of the whole thing was a sham,a costly one,but a sham none the less. You should frame this. It might apply to present and future events. I just heard a news report about "mountains of evidence". Sound familiar? |
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