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Post by Jack on Feb 11, 2007 23:42:30 GMT -5
Are you bothered by any teachings of other denominations? They could be Catholic or Protestant. I'm referring to any church that you *don't* attend. It could be one that you *do* attend if that's applicable. Yes, but not necessarily for moralistic reasons. Usually scriptural ones. I don't understand the reverence for the Virgin Mary in Catholocism, for instance. I can't help but see her as Venus with a Hebrew name. My mother comes from a Catholic background, by the way, my father a Protestant (Methodist) background. I also learned his family was involved in Freemasonry! That's some cultic shit right there, mother fucker!  To be honest, I'm bothered by the very existence of denominations. But realistically splits are bound to happen anyway because people make different interpretations. Also, I don't attend a physical church. My beliefs about the Virgin Mary are between Catholic doctrines and Protestant teachings. I believe that she was blessed above all women, but I don't think that she was without sin. I revere her more than most Protestants do. I also don't think that she is the pagan "Queen of Heaven" any more than I think that Jesus is Mithras. The Freemasons are a mostly benign group IMO. They do so many great things for charities and children, and their basic ideas are noble. I think that their mysterious aspects are seized upon by people with overactive imaginations, although some of their critics are misinformed fanatics with axes to grind. Like Catholicism, I don't learn about Freemasonry from ignorant (meaning lacking complete knowledge) people. |
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Post by atessalev on Feb 12, 2007 5:12:57 GMT -5
Don't let Yankel see that!  Did you mean Yigal? Yankel rejects organized religion. No, i was referring to your "It seems illogical to not believe in God" comment. By bad though, i thought i had highlighted that sentence. |
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Post by Jack on Feb 12, 2007 8:46:49 GMT -5
Did you mean Yigal? Yankel rejects organized religion. No, i was referring to your "It seems illogical to not believe in God" comment. By bad though, i thought i had highlighted that sentence. LOL We always misunderstand each other. I see what you mean now. I expected at least one atheist or agnostic to disagree with me. I'm happy to avoid *that* debate. |
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Post by praetorian on Feb 12, 2007 10:41:44 GMT -5
You should do what you feel like. You have no way at all to know what God's will his. There are no "sins". And you shouldn't join any movement our church. Or follow any idea. You are free man, you should make your own mind. And religion. But if you feel like to go to church then go. In a world were very little is certain, following your feeling is usually the best thing to do. I just find it ridiculous when people act out of fear. Fear of something they have no reason at all to believe in. Many people would disagree with you. They would claim that God's will could be found in the New Testament, the Torah, the Koran, and other sources. I wouldn't fault anyone if they believed that they found God's will in any of the religious scriptures because the search for God's will is the first step on the journey to Truth. I am with you as far as fear is concerned because that feeling can be a stumbling block on one's journey. I just think it's somewhat arrogant to say that the Bible or anything else is the only word of god...on what basis? Why isn't the Quran? Or the polytheistic beliefes of Romans? Or Zoroastrianism? Etc.. Unless you believe all religions are part of the same, since usually they have many similarities, even the polytheistic ones with the monotheistic ones, there is always a big boss..Buda could be Jesus, etc.. I've heard Christians mocking other religious beliefs, claiming them as silly...Well I can finda lot of sillyness in the Bible too... |
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Post by imaginarypallies on Feb 12, 2007 13:19:34 GMT -5
Do any of your religion's beliefs and/or practices bother you? I'm bugged by the Christian concept of predestination. Yankel mentioned the practice of stoning sinners described in Jewish scripture. Can you imagine people doing that to adulterers in 2007 America? Say what? #1 Stonings are done everyday by muslims in Arab countries #2 you're confused A jewish stoning is no more inhumane than a hanging, it is not throwing stones at a person till they die, instead it is throwing a person of a cliff and throwing a boulder after them to make shure. #3 they didn't stone for every sin only Chayav Missah sins, and 99% of the people where never stone because they had to be tried first by the Sanhedrin who had to reach a discision with no doubt, and even then other punishment(fines,lashes etc) would usually be givien the gemara speaks of how incredibly rare an execution was |
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Post by Clemo on Feb 12, 2007 13:48:47 GMT -5
#2 you're confused A jewish stoning is no more inhumane than a hanging, it is not throwing stones at a person till they die, instead it is throwing a person of a cliff and throwing a boulder after them to make shure. I am curious about this. I thought the whole idea of stoning was that there wouldn't be a single executioner and no one would be guilty of murder. So this method, shoving off a cliff, doesn't make much sense. |
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Post by Yankel on Feb 12, 2007 15:42:24 GMT -5
Speaking of the Virgin Mary, did you guys know that her virginity appears to be based on a mistranslation of the Bible? So much for the Immaculate Conception.
I'm pretty sure that was the sentence quoted in your post originally.
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Post by imaginarypallies on Feb 12, 2007 17:06:43 GMT -5
#2 you're confused A jewish stoning is no more inhumane than a hanging, it is not throwing stones at a person till they die, instead it is throwing a person of a cliff and throwing a boulder after them to make shure. I am curious about this. I thought the whole idea of stoning was that there wouldn't be a single executioner and no one would be guilty of murder. So this method, shoving off a cliff, doesn't make much sense. meh? it's the way it's done like it or not ive never heard your theory. in my life honestly, no person would be a murderer as the sanhedrin would be carrying out the prescribed justice (killing and murder not being synonymous ) wait i just saw where you got that, (from wikipedia right) i never heard that it isn't jewish tradition, the stoning i mention is what is done it is called skilah |
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Post by imaginarypallies on Feb 12, 2007 17:10:28 GMT -5
1. Sekilah (stoning, whereby the transgressor is thrust down from the height of two stories, and then (if he is still alive) a large rock is thrown down upon him). Some examples of sins for which Sekilah is administered: desecrating the Shabbos; idol worship; cursing (Chas v'Shalom) G-d; bestiality; sodomy; certain illicit relations (Sanhedrin 53a).
2. Sereifah (burning with molten lead, which is poured down the throat). Sereifah is administered of certain illicit relations (Sanhedrin 75a).
3. Hereg (killing with a sword) (Sefer ha'Chinuch #50). Hereg is administered for Avodah Zarah, when performed along with most of the inhabitants of an Ir ha'Nidachas, and for murder (Sanhedrin 76b).
4. Chenek (strangulation) (Sefer ha'Chinuch #47) - Chenek is administered for wounding one's parents; Zaken Mamrei; Navi Sheker; certain illicit relations (Sanhedrin 84b).
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Post by Jack on Feb 12, 2007 20:22:14 GMT -5
Do any of your religion's beliefs and/or practices bother you? I'm bugged by the Christian concept of predestination. Yankel mentioned the practice of stoning sinners described in Jewish scripture. Can you imagine people doing that to adulterers in 2007 America? Say what? #1 Stonings are done everyday by muslims in Arab countries #2 you're confused A jewish stoning is no more inhumane than a hanging, it is not throwing stones at a person till they die, instead it is throwing a person of a cliff and throwing a boulder after them to make shure. #3 they didn't stone for every sin only Chayav Missah sins, and 99% of the people where never stone because they had to be tried first by the Sanhedrin who had to reach a discision with no doubt, and even then other punishment(fines,lashes etc) would usually be givien the gemara speaks of how incredibly rare an execution was That changes everything. I can see it being done in modern Tel Aviv now. I mean after they set up the sanhedrins. They could have one in Jerusalem and one in New York, which would go over *really* well with the Jews there. |
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Post by Yankel on Feb 12, 2007 20:24:10 GMT -5
lawl.
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Post by imaginarypallies on Feb 12, 2007 21:49:26 GMT -5
Say what? #1 Stonings are done everyday by muslims in Arab countries #2 you're confused A jewish stoning is no more inhumane than a hanging, it is not throwing stones at a person till they die, instead it is throwing a person of a cliff and throwing a boulder after them to make shure. #3 they didn't stone for every sin only Chayav Missah sins, and 99% of the people where never stone because they had to be tried first by the Sanhedrin who had to reach a discision with no doubt, and even then other punishment(fines,lashes etc) would usually be givien the gemara speaks of how incredibly rare an execution was That changes everything. I can see it being done in modern Tel Aviv now. I mean after they set up the sanhedrins. They could have one in Jerusalem and one in New York, which would go over *really* well with the Jews there. eh only 1 Sanhedrin not "sanhedrins" its already been re-established in Tiberias and they are currently training cohens for when we plow down that eyesore where our beis homikdosh belongs. |
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