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Post by Jack on Feb 10, 2007 6:39:21 GMT -5
It's probably because because believing in God is illogical, and those who do lack knowledge and are thus less intelligent. Do you have a link to the study? I have some trouble with some aspects of my beliefs, but i take it one step at a time. Studying it is important. It seems illogical to not believe in God. I have almost never doubted the existence of our Creator. My biggest problems stem from certain religious doctrines and dogmas as well as deciding what religion really represents the true nature of God. Millions of people, with conflicting belief systems, are convinced that their religion is the true one. |
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Post by Jack on Feb 10, 2007 6:46:21 GMT -5
My parents were never fundamentalist nor very churchy, yet I always remember believing in God. So no, it doesn't bother me. It's more often people who claim to practice it or do things in its name that get on my nerves. Those who think they are some sort of authority. Are you bothered by any teachings of other denominations? They could be Catholic or Protestant. I'm referring to any church that you *don't* attend. It could be one that you *do* attend if that's applicable. |
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Post by Jack on Feb 10, 2007 6:54:49 GMT -5
A member of the United Pentecostal Church, who was baptized and born again, told me that he was headed straight to Hell because he hadn't yet spoken in tongues (glossolalia). His church taught that manifesting this spiritual gift was a requirement for salvation. If the man was right, 99.9% of everyone won't go to Heaven. Of course, I recently heard a Catholic claim that everyone, who doesn't follow the teachings of the pre-Vatican II Catholic Church, won't pass through the Pearly Gates, and he sounded just as convinced as the other man.
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Post by atessalev on Feb 10, 2007 9:17:15 GMT -5
My parents were never fundamentalist nor very churchy, yet I always remember believing in God. So no, it doesn't bother me. It's more often people who claim to practice it or do things in its name that get on my nerves. Those who think they are some sort of authority. Replace 'churchy' with 'mosquey' and we're almost exactly the same. Though, i do tend to think about religion, God, atheism, and everything around those a fair bit. It seems illogical to not believe in God. I have almost never doubted the existence of our Creator. My biggest problems stem from certain religious doctrines and dogmas as well as deciding what religion really represents the true nature of God. Millions of people, with conflicting belief systems, are convinced that their religion is the true one. Don't let Yankel see that!  |
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Post by praetorian on Feb 10, 2007 10:03:52 GMT -5
Actually the most logical solution is to actually don't give a crap. Since you can't prove if god exists or not. Just live your life as you want, and if and when you meet him have a chat, lol.
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Post by atessalev on Feb 10, 2007 10:13:25 GMT -5
I live by that 'logical solution' |
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Post by Clemo on Feb 10, 2007 16:55:18 GMT -5
Actually the most logical solution is to actually don't give a crap. Since you can't prove if god exists or not. Just live your life as you want, and if and when you meet him have a chat, lol. Amen. |
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Post by Jack on Feb 11, 2007 3:35:00 GMT -5
Millions of people, with conflicting belief systems, are convinced that their religion is the true one. Don't let Yankel see that! Did you mean Yigal? Yankel rejects organized religion. |
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Post by Jack on Feb 11, 2007 3:38:26 GMT -5
Actually the most logical solution is to actually don't give a crap. Since you can't prove if god exists or not. Just live your life as you want, and if and when you meet him have a chat, lol. I'll tell Him that you told me to not give a crap. ;-) BTW, which should I join: The First Church of Sin or Reformed Hedonism? |
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Post by praetorian on Feb 11, 2007 9:27:24 GMT -5
You should do what you feel like. You have no way at all to know what God's will his.
There are no "sins". And you shouldn't join any movement our church. Or follow any idea. You are free man, you should make your own mind. And religion. But if you feel like to go to church then go.
In a world were very little is certain, following your feeling is usually the best thing to do.
I just find it ridiculous when people act out of fear. Fear of something they have no reason at all to believe in.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Feb 11, 2007 10:21:08 GMT -5
Are you bothered by any teachings of other denominations? They could be Catholic or Protestant. I'm referring to any church that you *don't* attend. It could be one that you *do* attend if that's applicable. Yes, but not necessarily for moralistic reasons. Usually scriptural ones. I don't understand the reverence for the Virgin Mary in Catholocism, for instance. I can't help but see her as Venus with a Hebrew name. My mother comes from a Catholic background, by the way, my father a Protestant (Methodist) background. I also learned his family was involved in Freemasonry! That's some cultic shit right there, mother fucker!  To be honest, I'm bothered by the very existence of denominations. But realistically splits are bound to happen anyway because people make different interpretations. Also, I don't attend a physical church. |
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Post by annienormanna on Feb 11, 2007 15:45:07 GMT -5
The reverence for The Holy Virgin is the expression of a sense of "The Feminine" in God. There is nothing weird about it, except that it exists in a monotheisitic society that otherwise precludes the image of God to be that of a woman. Many people pray not out of fear, but a sense of something greater than themselves. They preceive it in their lives. I respect this more than anything else because it's part of being human. However, I stand against it if it gets in my way.  |
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Post by whateva on Feb 11, 2007 18:43:00 GMT -5
Actually the most logical solution is to actually don't give a crap. Since you can't prove if god exists or not. Just live your life as you want, and if and when you meet him have a chat, lol. In my experience feelings are contradictionary because they spring from a complex evolutionary baggage. Like say you are really angry with someone and meet him at a friends party. You might have one inclination to pick a fight with the bastard but on the other hand you wouldn't want to spoil your friends party like that. So which impulse to follow? Just some thought up example but you catch my drift: Feelings are mostly contradictionary and thus can rarely be relied on for moral guidance. Certainly you don't have to be religious in the ordinary sense but you need to have some concept of extreme inportance to strive towards in order to give priority to the various contradictory impulses. One such typical goal might be happiness. I don't mind people striving to just be happy but just going by gut feelings won't produce happiness. Being happy may require daring acts that will put fear in your heart and place yourself at risk even though it may immediatly seem more pleasing to walk the safe path. |
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Post by praetorian on Feb 11, 2007 19:04:50 GMT -5
By feelings I didn't not mean gutt feelings or instinct. In that example of yours, he should what's best for him...that is, what he thinks it is best for me. How does he knows? Through what he feels. This also doesn't mean only following emotion. You can study and learn new ways to reach what's best for you, but you will only follow them if you feel like. Following your feelings can also be a rational thing.
There's no point in making you suffer through something you don't really want.
And I stress the don't really like. There are things for which I have no love usually, like taking vaccines (I hate needles), but I take them because I *want* to be protected, even though I "hate" such thing. My "feelings" tell me to do this.
But if I were to really hate it, I would simply refuse. For example killing my mother. I would rather die.
The dilema that happens in your mind isn't really relevant, since I am talking about the end result. When one decides to act it's because he really wants it. When that guy finally makes his mind up at the party, we will act uppon what he feels it's the best for him.
Acting out of fear is ok, like me and the vaccine and acting out of fear that god might send up a lightning bolt up your arse (ok, going to hell for your sins =P), is also technically okay..but what's the likeliness of that? How do you know that such thing can even happen? That's what bothers me, but like I said it is still acceptable.
Anyway, I think this was simply a case of misunderstanding.
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Post by Jack on Feb 11, 2007 23:32:14 GMT -5
You should do what you feel like. You have no way at all to know what God's will his. There are no "sins". And you shouldn't join any movement our church. Or follow any idea. You are free man, you should make your own mind. And religion. But if you feel like to go to church then go. In a world were very little is certain, following your feeling is usually the best thing to do. I just find it ridiculous when people act out of fear. Fear of something they have no reason at all to believe in. Many people would disagree with you. They would claim that God's will could be found in the New Testament, the Torah, the Koran, and other sources. I wouldn't fault anyone if they believed that they found God's will in any of the religious scriptures because the search for God's will is the first step on the journey to Truth. I am with you as far as fear is concerned because that feeling can be a stumbling block on one's journey. |
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