People who hate their own race

[drooperdoo]

Anodyne,
I wrote that I made a statement and then backed it up with references [namely, Winston Churchill's article and Norm Finkelstein's work]. I then requested that you maintain a civil discourse, and said that you ought not randomly attack people who weren't talking to you, but that, if you wanted, you could try to stick substantively to the topic at hand and try to rebut anything I said by using conflicting sources, if you wanted.

You wrote: "It's also interesting that you didn't mention what I quoted from your post."

Pay attention: I didn't ask you to quote from my post. I asked you to cite scholarly references to rebut anything I said.

I mentioned schools that made kids read The Diary of Anne Frank and made them watch documentaries--as part of an orchestrated agenda to perpetuate guilt by powerful lobby groups in Washington. People such as Zev Kalin, Chairman of the Holocaust Education Program, work hard to ensure that small-town American kids get a good dose of his lobby's "point of view" with recourse to Holocaust-related activities, plays and books. So, too, Sam Edelman, a professor at Chico State University who directs the Center for the Teaching of the Holocaust, Genocide, Human Rights and Tolerance. As well as the director for another group [called "Facing History and Ourselves"], Jack Weinstein, who lives in California and lobbies the state to provide money every year. He boasts in a recent article, "120 local schools now have Holocaust units or even full courses based on that training!"

It's like "The New Jersey Commission On Holocaust Education" whose mission statement is "provide programs in New Jersey . . . and provide assistance and advice to the public and private schools . . ." www.state.nj.us/njded/holocaust/

And, of course, on the national level, there's the Simon Wiesenthal Center, with its influence on the U.S. Department of Education.

So if you want to rebut anything I said, name names [like I did], show a link where it disproves what I said.

That's what I meant.

Use actual references and sources to back up your position. Don't say, "It's a lie--because Anodyne says so."

All of Norm Finkelstein's work on The Holocaust Industry isn't true because Anodyne doesn't want it to be.

Provide some evidence that it's wrong, or please refrain from attacks.

As for the other issues you brought up (about Dylan Klebold, and a host of other things that no one but you mentioned)---- Please stop trying to stir up trouble by raising the specter of long-dead debates that have nothing to do with this thread, or by launching personal attacks based on emotionalism and long-standing antagonism.

I appreciate that you're trying to "warn" others about me, as you indicate in your post; to try and taint and influence people. Please refrain from these attempts at character assassination lest someone point out the obvious: that I've never been banned from a website--yet you have.

And for reasons that your behavior here makes obvious to all.

[Anodyne]

drooperdoo said:

Anodyne,
I wrote that I made a statement and then backed it up with references [namely, Winston Churchill's article and Norm Finkelstein's work]. I then requested that you maintain a civil discourse, and said that you ought not randomly attack people who weren't talking to you, but that, if you wanted, you could try to stick substantively to the topic at hand and try to rebut anything I said by using conflicting sources, if you wanted.

Yeah, I shouldn't have made that comment. Just posting what everyone is thinking. I just don't want passerbys to get the wrong idea about this forum. You can speak about Jews ina negative way, but soemthing has to be said so others understand this isn't your typical race/poli forum.

You wrote: "It's also interesting that you didn't mention what I quoted from your post."

Pay attention: I didn't ask you to quote from my post. I asked you to cite scholarly references to rebut anything I said.

I was addressing a particular point. With regards to that point you make no connection between supposed collective guilt for the holocaust and any of yoru sources. As always you make connection that don't exist. You think because you write a novel for each post that you can bury that fact. What scholarly sources did you cite that Jews push this supposed "collective guilt"? None. It's simply your interpretation, which, as I've proven in the past is clearly bias against Jews. That's why I referenced your view Columbine considering it was the height of your illogical nonsense.

I mentioned schools that made kids read The Diary of Anne Frank and made them watch documentaries--as part of an orchestrated agenda to perpetuate guilt by powerful lobby groups in Washington.

You did not mention this. You do realize people can actually back and read yoru posts, right? HOW is it an attempt to force collective guilt on others? If you know anything about the diary you would know it's quite touching. How it forces collective guilt on a gentile population is beyond me. But I suppose it is because you say so.

People such as Zev Kalin, Chairman of the Holocaust Education Program, work hard to ensure that small-town American kids get a good dose of his lobby's "point of view" with recourse to Holocaust-related activities, plays and books.

It's a historical event. That it's taught in schools is not surprising. The assertion you made that the Holocaust is taught as if it's part of Ameircan history is false. Your claims that crimes committed by Mao and Stalin are not given attention is also false. You can simply pick up a current history textbook. Hell, if you piss me off enough I'll just borrow a school book from a local school and scan the pages since I have access to it. Since WW2 is an important part of American history, and becuase the holocaust occurred during workld war 2, which the US was involved, why should we surprised?

Lets be honest, drooperdoo, you don't believe the mainstream view of the holocaust, and that's part of the reason you dislike it being taught. This isn't me making assumption. You've made such a claim about the accuracy of the mainstream version..

So, too, Sam Edelman, a professor at Chico State University who directs the Center for the Teaching of the Holocaust, Genocide, Human Rights and Tolerance. As well as the director for another group [called "Facing History and Ourselves"], Jack Weinstein, who lives in California and lobbies the state to provide money every year. He boasts in a recent article, "120 local schools now have Holocaust units or even full courses based on that training!"

Considering your history with sources I ask you to provide the link.

It's like "The New Jersey Commission On Holocaust Education" whose mission statement is "provide programs in New Jersey . . . and provide assistance and advice to the public and private schools . . ." www.state.nj.us/njded/holocaust/

Once again, I ask where is the proof that these Jews are pushing on the gentile population a sense of collective guilt. Discussing the holocaust does not equal making gentiles feel guilty. If you bothered to look at your own link you would have seen this: depts.drew.edu/chs/film-series-flyer.pdf
and this: www.state.nj.us/njded/holocaust/programs/011607_022207khmer.pdf

Apparently they're not just interested in what affects Jews, but also in anything dealing with genocide.

And, of course, on the national level, there's the Simon Wiesenthal Center, with its influence on the U.S. Department of Education.

Once again, evidence please that the goal is to foster collective guilt?

So if you want to rebut anything I said, name names [like I did], show a link where it disproves what I said.

That's what I meant.

You gave names, but don't make any connection based on any evidence. When you actually do give a link to a website, as always when you deal with me, I point out your errors. Anyone can throw out names, but making the connections to build an argument is another thing. Thanks for proving my statement to be true. You can't create a house on a poor foundation.

Use actual references and sources to back up your position. Don't say, "It's a lie--because Anodyne says so."

You have no sources. You simply give me names and say "they're doing this and that" but based on any evidence? No. How about you provide more links so I can embarrass you further.

All of Norm Finkelstein's work on The Holocaust Industry isn't true because Anodyne doesn't want it to be.

I didn't say anything about Finkelstein. I never claimed that there isn't a "holocaust Industry." However, I don't like irrational exaggerations which is what defines you. I was just pointing out your bad habit of making connections without proof. You assume that if Jews are involved in something then it most automatically mean someting nefarious. That's why you throw names at me, but don't provide any real evidence, and, l as awalys, when you do provide a source that I can look through, I pretty much embarrass you. Weren't you the one who gave me a link to how Harris and Klebold were Jewish? You have to learn to be more objective with the sources you read.

Provide some evidence that it's wrong, or please refrain from attacks.

You made the claim, not I. The person who makes the claim is obligated to provide evidnece. That's how debates work.

As for the other issues you brought up (about Dylan Klebold, and a host of other things that no one but you mentioned)---- Please stop trying to stir up trouble by raising the specter of long-dead debates that have nothing to do with this thread, or by launching personal attacks based on emotionalism and long-standing antagonism.

It has everything to do with your view. It shows how you jump on a bandwagon if it suits you without looking deeper in the subject. The reason wh you don't want it brought up as an example of your bias is because it one of the best examples of your bias.

I appreciate that you're trying to "warn" others about me, as you indicate in your post; to try and taint and influence people. Please refrain from these attempts at character assassination lest someone point out the obvious: that I've never been banned from a website--yet you have.

I was banned by Gareth because I told him he sucked as a moderator. The vast majority told him I should be unbanned. I was banned a second time because I thought he was Amadis, lol, and he apparently thought it was a insult (actually he was looking for any excuse, no matter how stupid.) That thead exists on this forum. You should know something about the issue before you mention it.

With regards to supposed "character assassination," well, you do that to yourself. I doubt my view of you is nay different from any other person who knows you from posting at these type of forums.

And for reasons that your behavior here makes obvious to all.

My behavior is just fine. I was actually liked by the moderators at old dodona. They told me so.

[Anodyne]

"Which is why I wince when the same Jews who decry that sort of collective guilt when its applied to them come to America and peddle "Gentile guilt" to nations who had nothing to do with the Holocaust, upon the theory that "all white Christians" are somehow guilty for the crimes of a handful of German politicians."

I ask for proof for this claim.

[drooperdoo]

Anodyne,
You're just so filled with hate and malice.

It's sad.

I've been gentlemanly since posting on this site. I haven't addressed you directly, nor insulted you, nor tried to prejudice anyone away from you.

But here you are, doing that to me--back at your old tricks.

Pathetic, really.

Following people around and attempting to heckle and take attention away from the theme of the thread.

You're just such a hate-filled person. I feel sorry for you. You must have such low self-esteem.

I quietly looked at the way--from day one on this new board--how you started personal fights with people from the old board, and were pouring invective on people. From Day One.

I'm leaving this website, just like I left the last one--because of you. That was right before you were banned by others that you had problems with, too.

As a parting request, please, please, please learn to contain yourself. You'll get bannned from places far less, and you might actually get a girlfriend in the real world. If that happens, then you can stop frequenting those incest websites you troll--where others on these boards have busted you and shared URL links showing you discussing your lust for your cousin.

Maybe it's that deep-seated dysfunctional aspect of you that makes you behave in other anti-social ways, as well. Just remember what I say: Get some help.

P.S.--Oh, and to appease your demand for sources, anyone can go to Google and find a website called "Incest Board" and check out a poster on there also coincidentally named Anodyne, who writes with the same cadence. Here's a link: incestboard.com/Forum/Forum4/HTML/000586.html I'm assuming there can't be too many people with the obscure name "Anodyne" and who write using the same turns of phrase and verbiage, and who both share a love of posting boards on the internet.
Try to convince everyone that it's not really you, it's a "double," a coincidence. An illusion.
I'll let the more computer savvy check out the IP address of both posters so that they can confirm to everyone that it's you, and no one has "framed you," or created a fake account under your name.
Bye, Anodyne. And remember: you don't have to be angry all the time. Maybe if you get a date with a girl--a girl you're not related to--your self-esteem will go up, and you'll stop lashing out at others. You'll stop being so frustrated.

[Anodyne]

drooperdoo said:

Anodyne,
You're just so filled with hate and malice.

It's sad.

I've been gentlemanly since posting on this site. I haven't addressed you directly, nor insulted you, nor tried to prejudice anyone away from you.

You haven't been a gentleman on this board. You hide your anger with condescending remarks whenever someone disagrees with you, and then pretend you're some sort of innocent. It's typicla of you. A good example are your responses to Annie with regards to the what that child molestor posted at his website.

But here you are, doing that to me--back at your old tricks.

Pathetic, really.

Following people around and attempting to heckle and take attention away from the theme of the thread.

Following people around? This is an internet forum, rather than a mall.

You're just such a hate-filled person. I feel sorry for you. You must have such low self-esteem.

You sound very angry, droop. I suggest you not worry about me considering you have so much work to do on yourself.

I quietly looked at the way--from day one on this new board--how you started personal fights with people from the old board, and were pouring invective on people. From Day One.

Where did I attack someone personally? What is funny is that you're the worse offender, but you think you're an innocent since you hide it behind a few compliments.

Actually, you didn't stay "quiet," even though I did nothing wrong. You ran to Gareth to tell him, along with lucille, that I'm a bully. So I suggest you not lie since now that I have access to HBD I can post what you said there here.

I'm leaving this website, just like I left the last one--because of you. That was right before you were banned by others that you had problems with, too.

"others" is plural. The only person who banned me was Gareth. It wasn't a group decision. It amazes me how you get almost everything wrong, from the big issue to the smallest detail.

I don't care if you leave the forum. Also, you never actually left the other forum since you posted about me there not too long ago.

As a parting request, please, please, please learn to contain yourself. You'll get bannned from places far less, and you might actually get a girlfriend in the real world. If that happens, then you can stop frequenting those incest websites you troll--where others on these boards have busted you and shared URL links showing you discussing your lust for your cousin.

Excuse me?

Maybe it's that deep-seated dysfunctional aspect of you that makes you behave in other anti-social ways, as well. Just remember what I say: Get some help.


P.S.--Oh, and to appease your demand for sources, anyone can go to Google and find a website called "Incest Board" and check out a poster on there also coincidentally named Anodyne, who writes with the same cadence. Here's a link: incestboard.com/Forum/Forum4/HTML/000586.html I'm assuming there can't be too many people with the obscure name "Anodyne" and who write using the same turns of phrase and verbiage, and who both share a love of posting boards on the internet.
Try to convince everyone that it's not really you, it's a "double," a coincidence. An illusion.

You're pathetic. I only post at two forums. This one and a hockey fight forum. As always you're willing to believe what you want because you want to do so. In any other forum this would be enough to ban you but I won't bother. Only forums I've ever been banned from is HBD and that was over petty reasons. But then again, I've only posted at Dodona and it's incarnations, a hockey fight forum, made a few posts on another hockey forum, and handful of posts on a political forum.

You think I'd be stupid enough to use the same username in a bizarre forum when it can be used against me? Obviously you do, but then again, you never shown yourself to be very bright.

I'll let the more computer savvy check out the IP address of both posters so that they can confirm to everyone that it's you, and no one has "framed you," or created a fake account under your name.

Perhaps you should have checked the IP yourself so you could avoid playing the fool. This is a good example of how you make statements without looking into the subject much.

I looked a the individuals second post. He says he is 27, and his post is in July of 2006. My 27th birthday was in August of 2006. I doubt it's a person pretending to be me, although anyone can take a persons username from another forum and pretend they are that person in a different forum. Despite what you say, that person doesn't have my typing style. I write in paragraph form, he doesn't. And what "turns of phrase and verbiage" does he use that are similar to mine? Good detective work, drooperdoo. Don't let anyone tell you that you're a moron because you're obviously not!

Bye, Anodyne. And remember: you don't have to be angry all the time. Maybe if you get a date with a girl--a girl you're not related to--your self-esteem will go up, and you'll stop lashing out at others. You'll stop being so frustrated.

My self esteem is just fine, since I stick to principles, unlike yourself. This forum doesn't need compulsive liars.

P.S. By the way, Farragut's father wasn't from Catalonia. He was from Majorca. You always screw the details.

P.S.S. You didn't address my post.

[Mike the Jedi]

lol @ incest board... man, did that come out of left field!

[Funk Monk]

I'm not sure what to say, why such a heated and personal discussion?

[Anodyne]

funk said:

I'm not sure what to say, why such a heated and personal discussion?

Because he knows I'm right. Drooperdoo has this bad habit of making claims and not being able to back them up rationally because they're not rational to begin with, and so he lashes out with about anything he can find, whether what he says is legitimate or not. He interprets information how it suits him and that's what annoys me, and that's why he couldn't address my question. Truth doesn't matter to drooperdoo. From Jews to his claims on physical anthropology, he always gets the details wrong, and when people point it out to him he gets pissed.

What I find interesting is that if you type Anodyne and incest board in google nothing about the poster shows up. He would have to seek out the board and do a search. How pathetic. He must have gone to every weird board and done a search of my username hoping something comes up. Whether it's actually me or not didn't matter to him. Apparently he thinks I'm as stupid as he is.

[Dodona Underground]

Look, I don't want to get into a whole lot of Jewology and I have no problem with requiring rigorous proof when criticizing entire ethnicities. But is a scholarly treatise really required to know that, among the influential and establishment-approved identity political groups in America, there are Jewish ones? I've got no dog in this race and I don't care if what I say is dismissed due to lack of sources, but consider this.

1) If young people in America know about the holocaust, American slavery, Jim Crow, the mistreatment of Indians and haven't a clue about the rape of Nanking, the Armenian genocide, Stalin's persecution of the Kulaks, the Cambodian killing fields, the current persecution of Sudanese Christians or even the particulars of our own revolution, is there any doubt that different levels of political activism have had a role? After all, the persecution of Christians and our involvement in the cold war makes at least two or three of these things relevant to large aggregates of Americans.

Empirical arguments would greatly improve the point I'm making, but part of this point could be derived deductively by simply knowing human nature and politics. Cui bono?--usually a good guide when no smoking guns can be found. Jews or gentile secularists? Either. Both. Here's where the empirical argument becomes more important---who is more active?

My opinion is that creation science, Heather has two mommies and history by political activism are just three more good reasons to disband the public school system immediately.

2) Except for a few incidences, Jews haven't come close to being holocausted in the U.S.A. But you'd never know that from reading any of Abe Foxman's press releases (I'll be happy to dig up his most recent ludicrous rant about the Mel Gibson DUI flap if someone needs a reminder.). Foxman sounds like the Al Sharpton of the American Jews and a complete commissar to boot. And this makes him a completely laughable figure because at least Sharpton can point to a longstanding concrete pattern of injustice in American history against blacks. If no more than a high school auditorium full of American Jews support Foxman and the ADL, it would be nice to hear more of them say what crackpots Foxman, et. al. are. After all, it has become nearly a requirement for gentiles to renounce David Duke and Louis Farrakhan.

[Anodyne]

dodonaunderground said:

Look, I don't want to get into a whole lot of Jewology and I have no problem with requiring rigorous proof when criticizing entire ethnicities. But is a scholarly treatise really required to know that, among the influential and establishment-approved identity political groups in America, there are Jewish ones? I've got no dog in this race and I don't care if what I say is dismissed due to lack of sources, but consider this.

What is at question is whether Jews are pushing a supposed "collective gentile guilt." I've never had this impression. Under drooperdoo's reasoning anything associated with the Holocaust, from Anne Frank's Diary to Schindler's List, is an attempt to make Gentiles feel guilty. I simply don't buy it. Maybe because I'm not obsessed with Jews.

1) If young people in America know about the holocaust, American slavery, Jim Crow, the mistreatment of Indians and haven't a clue about the rape of Nanking, the Armenian genocide, Stalin's persecution of the Kulaks, the Cambodian killing fields, the current persecution of Sudanese Christians or even the particulars of our own revolution, is there any doubt that different levels of political activism have had a role?

After all, the persecution of Christians and our involvement in the cold war makes at least two or three of these things relevant to large aggregates of Americans.

The Holocaust, American slavery, Jim Crow, and the mistreatment of Indians is connected to American history in a direct way. With regards to the Holocaust it was American soldiers that helped liberate the camps. It's a reminder that we were morally right.

The rape of Nanking, the Armenian genocide, Stalin's persecution of the Kulaks, the Cambodian killing fields, the current persecution of Sudanese Christians either involved Americans indirectly, because of the cold war and WW2, or not at all.

I never stated there aren't people with agendas in the school sytem. It's clear to me that there is, but I can actually back up any claim I make, and I won't make a claim unless I'm sure of myself. I even agree that some Jews, and I've stated this before with regards to Foxman, exaggerate to get a desired effect. But to say that there is a collective action among Jews to force guilt upon gentiles is more of an interpretation that is based on what? That they have kids read Anne Frank's Diary? Please... Considering anti- semiticism in the US is quite high I guess we can say they've failed. Drooperdoo should be happy.

Empirical arguments would greatly improve the point I'm making, but part of this point could be derived deductively by simply knowing human nature and politics. Cui bono?--usually a good guide when no smoking guns can be found. Jews or gentile secularists? Either. Both. Here's where the empirical argument becomes more important---who is more active?

Who is more active in doing what? My question to Drooperdoo was quite clear. Where is the evidnece that the goal is to foster a sense of guilt for the holocaust among Americans? That Jews have been members of groups that have been anti- Western/American is not something I'm arguing against. I quoted a specific part from Drooperdoo's post. Everything else I have addressed before. It's not surprising that a population that is A) considered an "other" B) alienated becuase they are an "other" C) and, on average, have very high IQs. That Bolsheviks had high number of Jews in charge has to do with nothing intrinsically Jewish and everything to do with what I stated above. People with high IQs become leaders. But to pretend that the "Russian Revolution" is anti- Gentile is beyond absurd considering you can't have a massive political movement without support from a significant protion of the population. I've gone over this with drooperdoo, and to be honest, I never expected it to register with him.

My opinion is that creation science, Heather has two mommies and history by political activism are just three more good reasons to disband the public school system immediately.

I agree, but what does this have to with Jews forcing collective guilt on us poor, idiotic sheeplike gentiles?

2) Except for a few incidences, Jews haven't come close to being holocausted in the U.S.A. But you'd never know that from reading any of Abe Foxman's press releases (I'll be happy to dig up his most recent ludicrous rant about the Mel Gibson DUI flap if someone needs a reminder.). Foxman sounds like the Al Sharpton of the American Jews and a complete commissar to boot. And this makes him a completely laughable figure because at least Sharpton can point to a longstanding concrete pattern of injustice in American history against blacks. If no more than a high school auditorium full of American Jews support Foxman and the ADL, it would be nice to hear more of them say what crackpots Foxman, et. al. are. After all, it has become nearly a requirement for gentiles to renounce David Duke and Louis Farrakhan.

And I agree. As I stated earlier, I'm not a fan of Foxman. However, a cool head is asked. It's one thing to say the ADL is corrupted, and it's another to say that Jews, as a group, have some sort of evil goal for us all. I respect you DU. But I don't think you know much about drooperdoo's complete view considering you're absent from these forums for long periods of time, and I doubt you, or anyone, reads every post at a forum. This dude is hyper irrational. Simply go to HBD and search for our argument about Columbine and his assertion of a Jewish connection.

I have no qualms about criticizing trends common among ethnic groups, and that includes my own, but I avoid losing my head.

[Mike the Jedi]

He started a thread on HBF about catching "you" on the incest board.

[Anodyne]

mike said:

He started a thread on HBF about catching "you" on the incest board.

I figured as much. He's a despicable character. He knows I can't post there, and that's why he did it. He's too much of a coward to address my post. If anything he has proven that I was right about his character.

[atessalev]

That's low.

[Anodyne]

I read his thread at HBD. I've never been so pissed off in my life. With regards to the fact that the guy is 27, and I'm 27, Kadu, I'm a Leo, which I stated in HBD, and you can look up. This person stated in July he was 27. I'm assuming Kadu knows about this forum, and will look here. I wish to answer his post.

Also, to droop's claim I'd erase the post... well, why would i respond to a post I'd delete?

He's a pathetic wretch. I challenge him to come on this board and deal with me directly. I wonder if he has the balls.

[Mike the Jedi]

ayndostoy said:

I wonder if he has the balls.

He does. He just keeps them locked up in a Jew-proof ziplock bag.