Afro-Americans should be exempted from taxation

[Clemo]

Is repatriation an option?

[Cameo]

clemo said:

Is repatriation an option?

I'm not an African Clemo and where would they repatriate me to if I chose that option?

[Clemo]

rigaud said:

clemo said:

Is repatriation an option?

I'm not an African Clemo and where would they repatriate me to if I chose that option?

You are not a slave either.

[Cameo]

clemo said:

rigaud said:

I'm not an African Clemo and where would they repatriate me to if I chose that option?

You are not a slave either.

Does that mean that todays descendants of slaves should not be compensated? it was the legacy of slavery and segregation/Jim Crow laws that has contributed in large part to the social position of Afro-Americans so why no compensation?

[Clemo]

I don't believe that African Americans are owed anything other than an equal opportunity.

If they should be compensated, how much do we deduct from their wages for room and board ?

Seriously though, slavery is a very bad thing, but paying you for the work someone else did isn't practicle. If a slave shows up today and demands payment, I say pay the man. He earned it.

Another thing is many American Blacks cannot prove that they are descendant from slaves (not saying they aren't) and you wouldn't want someone not entitled to you money to receive it (recent immigrants,etc.).

Plus who is going to pay? Me- just because I am white? Some of my ancestors may have been Quaker abolitionists who assisted the underground railroad. In fact they may have played a larger role in the abolition of slavery than the slaves themselves did.

Maybe you should file a civil suit against your family's former owners or against private companies known to have a role in the slave trade. Good luck with that, Charles.

[Cameo]

clemo said:

I don't believe that African Americans are owed anything other than an equal opportunity.

If they should be compensated, how much do we deduct from their wages for room and board ?

Seriously though, slavery is a very bad thing, but paying you for the work someone else did isn't practicle. If a slave shows up today and demands payment, I say pay the man. He earned it.

Another thing is many American Blacks cannot prove that they are descendant from slaves (not saying they aren't) and you wouldn't want someone not entitled to you money to receive it (recent immigrants,etc.).

Plus who is going to pay? Me- just because I am white? Some of my ancestors may have been Quaker abolitionists who assisted the underground railroad. In fact they may have played a larger role in the abolition of slavery than the slaves themselves did.

Maybe you should file a civil suit against your family's former owners or against private companies known to have a role in the slave trade. Good luck with that, Charles.

I never said whites should pay, I just think blacks shouldn#t have to pay state and federal taxes.

[Clemo]

rigaud said:

clemo said:

I don't believe that African Americans are owed anything other than an equal opportunity.

If they should be compensated, how much do we deduct from their wages for room and board ?

Seriously though, slavery is a very bad thing, but paying you for the work someone else did isn't practicle. If a slave shows up today and demands payment, I say pay the man. He earned it.

Another thing is many American Blacks cannot prove that they are descendant from slaves (not saying they aren't) and you wouldn't want someone not entitled to you money to receive it (recent immigrants,etc.).

Plus who is going to pay? Me- just because I am white? Some of my ancestors may have been Quaker abolitionists who assisted the underground railroad. In fact they may have played a larger role in the abolition of slavery than the slaves themselves did.

Maybe you should file a civil suit against your family's former owners or against private companies known to have a role in the slave trade. Good luck with that, Charles.

I never said whites should pay, I just think blacks shouldn#t have to pay state and federal taxes.

That would mean EVERYONE ELSE would have to pay more, now wouldn't it. Again who determines who qualifies and how do they prove it. In that case prove I DON'T have African American ancestry because I don't want to pay federal taxes either. Overnight the African American population would triple, since they are self designations.

State taxes are another matter, in my state slavery was illegal, but then again blacks were illegal for a long time as well.

[Cameo]

clemo said:

rigaud said:

I never said whites should pay, I just think blacks shouldn#t have to pay state and federal taxes.

That would mean EVERYONE ELSE would have to pay more, now wouldn't it. Again who determines who qualifies and how do they prove it. In that case prove I DON'T have African American ancestry because I don't want to pay federal taxes either. Overnight the African American population would triple, since they are self designations.

State taxes are another matter, in my state slavery was illegal, but then again blacks were illegal for a long time as well.

I don't think there'll ever be a day when white Americans will start proclaiming themselves as Negroes to get a tax cut. Alot of them are already in the closet about having possible black ancestry. Of course the burden of proof would be on them to prove thy have black ancestry. Recent Africans and Carribbean blacks are excluded from being tax exempt, only true ethnic Afro-Americans should be tax exempt.

[Clemo]

rigaud said:

I don't think there'll ever be a day when white Americans will start proclaiming themselves as Negroes to get a tax cut.

I think you would be surprised. I know many who would have no problem checking the box that said African American if it means they wouldn't have to pay federal taxes. I would.

Recent Africans and Carribbean blacks are excluded from being tax exempt, only true ethnic Afro-Americans should be tax exempt.

How would you seperate the Caribbeans and Africans from Afro-Americans? Some blacks can trace their ancestry back, but many more cannot. Even many white Americans have trouble with determining geneology.

There are people who change their self designated ethnicty for a variety of reasons. Maybe reparations are the answer. It could mean MORE blacks than ever, a stronger politcal force even.

[Anodyne]

clemo said:

rigaud said:

I don't think there'll ever be a day when white Americans will start proclaiming themselves as Negroes to get a tax cut.

I think you would be surprised. I know many who would have no problem checking the box that said African American if it means they wouldn't have to pay federal taxes. I would.

I'd do the same. I'll change my name to Tyrone Jackson if it means not having to pay taxes.

It doesn't make any logical sense to force individuals who have committed no crime to pay someone for damages towards a person who is no longer living. The only person obligated is the one who has committed the crime, but they're all dead.

Compensation to the family of the slave would only make sense if the person affected by slavery had a prominent role within the family. So only his children would be able to be compensated, or his grandchildren, if he, or she, had palyed a role in raising them. So there has to be a direct relation to the offended party.

That's how I see it.

[Mike the Jedi]

Frankly, I find the idea completely ridiculous. It would only make racially-based problems worse. Old tensions would be rekindled rather than eased.

And lol @ Clemo on the repatriation comment... I also agree with you about the doubling of the Afram population should Charlie's idea ever be brought to fruition. It's all about profit. All the literature and hocus pocus about supposed Negro inferiority came shortly after the slave trade so whites would not have a guilty conscience and would think they were justified in owning slaves. The Hamitic Hypothesis, the mark of Canaan falsehood, the supposed simian ancestry of Negroids, all of this crap was born out of a needed scientific or religious way to make sure the blacks stayed profitable for the whites who depended on them economically. If there were no profits involved, I doubt it would ever have happened. People just wouldn't have cared.

[imaginarypallies]

rigaud said:

clemo said:

You are not a slave either.

Does that mean that todays descendants of slaves should not be compensated? it was the legacy of slavery and segregation/Jim Crow laws that has contributed in large part to the social position of Afro-Americans so why no compensation?

if you do not feel "African" than you have nothing to due with slaves
if you do want "compensation" you feel African,ergo repatriation is always an option, most blacks around here aren't even "african american" they are second gen Carribean Americans and dont deserve a d**n thing, either way as bad as slavery was if it wasn't for slavery Or colonialism you'd be running around nekid in spearing breakfast, and i would be running around in a loin cloth with a bow and arrow eating my neighbour. Where is my compensation? i deserve a casino d**nit!

what sense does it make that some italian american who's family came here in the 30s should pay some black guy who is most likely 3/4 carribean 1/4 afram

[imaginarypallies]

so no blacks would pay taxes? or only if you could proove you are 100% decended from Slaves in UNITED STATES and not the son of Mr and Mrs Smith from kingston?

[imaginarypallies]

ayndostoy said:

clemo said:

I think you would be surprised. I know many who would have no problem checking the box that said African American if it means they wouldn't have to pay federal taxes. I would.

I'd do the same. I'll change my name to Tyrone Jackson if it means not having to pay taxes.

It doesn't make any logical sense to force individuals who have committed no crime to pay someone for damages towards a person who is no longer living. The only person obligated is the one who has committed the crime, but they're all dead.

Compensation to the family of the slave would only make sense if the person affected by slavery had a prominent role within the family. So only his children would be able to be compensated, or his grandchildren, if he, or she, had palyed a role in raising them. So there has to be a direct relation to the offended party.

That's how I see it.

or a curly Haired Welsh american named Tyrone Jenkins(both very welsh names seen as black) wont have to pay

[Jack]

You never were a slave, so you are owed nothing. I never had a slave, so I owe you nothing. I would still owe you nothing if my twin brother had twenty slaves. This is just a scheme to cause trouble and get money (for nothing).