Afro-Americans should be exempted from taxation

[Cameo]

As compensation for unpaid slavery that lasted 400 years plus systematic oppression during Jim Crow, anyone disagree?

[Funk Monk]

How do you define Afro-American?

[Cameo]

funk said:

How do you define Afro-American?

Descendants of those brought to America as slaves since 1619.

[atessalev]

What would you argue for such an exemption if i were to say that it would be wrong for the decendants of those slaves to take advantage of the crimes committed against their ancestors?

Mind you, i haven't made up my mind. I just want to flesh out an argument.

[praetorian]

And mind you that most White Americans never had ancestors that owned slaves. The same with Native Americans, Hispanics and whatever.
This only makes sense for the descendants of slave owners, who indeed profited from slavery. But they would be the only ones paying taxes, for something that they didn't commit. And anyway, wasn't most of America built after slavery ended?
What about the expenses that slave owners had with the slaves like food and clothes? Those would be deductable?

[praetorian]

rigaud said:

funk said:

How do you define Afro-American?

Descendants of those brought to America as slaves since 1619.

Some whites were brought as slaves, and a significant number of whites have black ancestry, so I guess those are African-Americans too.

Some African-Americans never were slaves, and some even had their own slaves.

[Cameo]

atessalev said:

What would you argue for such an exemption if i were to say that it would be wrong for the decendants of those slaves to take advantage of the crimes committed against their ancestors?

Mind you, i haven't made up my mind. I just want to flesh out an argument.

I'm not falling into this trap. Its a simple request for compensation.

[Cameo]

praetorian said:

And mind you that most White Americans never had ancestors that owned slaves. The same with Native Americans, Hispanics and whatever.
This only makes sense for the descendants of slave owners, who indeed profited from slavery. But they would be the only ones paying taxes, for something that they didn't commit. And anyway, wasn't most of America built after slavery ended?
What about the expenses that slave owners had with the slaves like food and clothes? Those would be deductable?

The total production of slave labor far exceeded any "expenses" incured by the slave master.

[atessalev]

rigaud said:

atessalev said:

What would you argue for such an exemption if i were to say that it would be wrong for the decendants of those slaves to take advantage of the crimes committed against their ancestors?

Mind you, i haven't made up my mind. I just want to flesh out an argument.

I'm not falling into this trap. Its a simple request for compensation.

Okay. Do you think it's reasonable of me to request compensation from Russia for expelling my Circassian ancestors from their land over 100 years ago?

Also, simply requesting compensation doesn't mean you automatically have a right to it. You have to prove your claim, whether you like it or not.

[Cameo]

atessalev said:

rigaud said:

I'm not falling into this trap. Its a simple request for compensation.

Okay. Do you think it's reasonable of me to request compensation from Russia for expelling my Circassian ancestors from their land over 100 years ago?

Also, simply requesting compensation doesn't mean you automatically have a right to it. You have to prove your claim, whether you like it or not.

My paternal great grandmother was an ex-slave and my maternal grndmother is Native-American, do I need anymore proof to validate my claim?

[atessalev]

Assuming your great grandmother was an ex-slave, treated poorly and was not paid her wages, why do you think you have a cliam to her financial loss? Because you're related to her?

And are you asking for compensation for your maternal grandmother simply because she is Native American?

[Cameo]

atessalev said:

Assuming your great grandmother was an ex-slave, treated poorly and was not paid her wages, why do you think you have a cliam to her financial loss? Because you're related to her?

And are you asking for compensation for your maternal grandmother simply because she is Native American?

Native Americans have been compensated...with being thrown on second class "reservations", but I don't consider myself Native American so I don't claim any compenation on their part. I'm not asking for permanent tax exempt status, just temporary, for a time not to exceed the the amount of time AAs spent in slavery. My father's side of the family were poor after slavery, so compensation can be claimed on the grounds I propose.

[atessalev]

rigaud said:

Native Americans have been compensated...with being thrown on second class "reservations", but I don't consider myself Native American so I don't claim any compenation on their part.

But the actual Native Americans who were forced to live on the reserves (and not their decendants) have been compensated, right?

I'm not asking for permanent tax exempt status, just temporary, for a time not to exceed the the amount of time AAs spent in slavery. My father's side of the family were poor after slavery, so compensation can be claimed on the grounds I propose.

Are you asking compensations for the time spent in slavery, or the amount of money not paid to your ancestors? They are two different things.

[Cameo]

atessalev said:

rigaud said:

Native Americans have been compensated...with being thrown on second class "reservations", but I don't consider myself Native American so I don't claim any compenation on their part.

But the actual Native Americans who were forced to live on the reserves (and not their decendants) have been compensated, right?

I'm not asking for permanent tax exempt status, just temporary, for a time not to exceed the the amount of time AAs spent in slavery. My father's side of the family were poor after slavery, so compensation can be claimed on the grounds I propose.

Are you asking compensations for the time spent in slavery, or the amount of money not paid to your ancestors? They are two different things.

I'm asking for compensation based on unpaid laborover a period of time.

[atessalev]

If one was able to come up with a fixed dollar amount, you also have to consider other decedants who the same right as you believe you have to claim those unpaid wages. When you count in everone else, you'd have to divide that one fixed amount for a number of individuals (who are likely to be many), and filter it down through the generations. In the end, that amount may be very little once divided.