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Post by whateva on Jan 23, 2007 12:08:06 GMT -5
Fred:
I just gotta ask... how do you see Nordicism in Harry Potter?
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Post by drooperdoo on Jan 23, 2007 13:14:43 GMT -5
Harry Potter has a strain of Nordicism running through it? How embarrassing! I remember the popular "Clan of the Cavebear" novels, and how I was mortified when the fat blonde author made everyone worship fat, blonde fertility goddesses. lol I mean, I know that they worshipped fat goddesses---  . . . but did she have to make them blonde--like herself?  Talk about megalomania! Furthermore, she added a racist element that we now know is completely backward: She made the Neanderthals dark, and the Cro-magnon's fair-skinned and blond. Here's the problem with that: Recenet advances in dna have allowed scientists to learn that Neanderthal had the genes for red hair, freckles and light skin.(They had a particular gene-mutation which botched the receptors which would allow skin to process sunlight and tan.) It leads to that extremely milky skin with freckles you see even today. Conventional anthropolgists say that modern man, by contrast, emerged from Africa. So--contrary to racist Jean Auel--it was the Neanderthal's who were the "white" ones. (This has been confirmed when ancient skeletons have been dug up and it was discovered that modern humans in the area didn't have high rates of fairness that Ms. Auel was attributing to them. It was extremely rare for them to have the gene mutation in the receptors which precluded the processing of sunlight. It was extremely rare--far more rare than in the Neanderthal populations.) But in her racist mind, "white" meant evolved and "dark" meant primitive. So she idiotically got history backwards when she made the superior Cro-magnons the fair ones and the Neanderthals the dark ones. Even worse, whenever a hybrid occurred, it was dark-haired like its Neanderthal parent. So she was setting up a world where the dark humans are primitive and the fair humans are the "advanced race" of pure non-Caveman stock. Retarded and racist on so many levels! ***** Sources: "Neanderthal Discovered to Have the Genes for Fair-Skin and Red Hair" (from the "Times UK"): www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3adc5573604d.htm“Ancient Germans Weren’t So Fair": www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1154815.htm |
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Post by Fred on Jan 23, 2007 14:35:51 GMT -5
Harry Potter is really all about the dark little poor boy and his redheaded old-family sidekick vs. the rich, blonde aristocrats. It's Nordicist because it perpetuates the myth of a blonde aristocracy. My suspicion is that's J.K. Rowling's primary goal.
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Post by Clemo on Jan 23, 2007 14:55:45 GMT -5
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Post by whateva on Jan 23, 2007 15:02:10 GMT -5
Fred:
I might have been fooled but I was taking the fact that the Nordic looking ones are the bad guys as a case of anti-nordicism. The reign of these old noble wizard families are described as entirely evil and resting on false premises for as far as I can tell.
Anyways I think there's a whole lot more to Harry Potter than all that.
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Post by Fred on Jan 23, 2007 15:51:59 GMT -5
But Harry Potter has special powers? It's a mockery.
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Post by tyrannos on Jan 23, 2007 16:27:36 GMT -5
The Norse Rune of S is located on his forehead supposedly so a SS significance has been attached to it---along with what Clemo stated before.
Most of the Mythology and names however are directly taken from Latin and Greek. Salazar Slytherin was supposedly named after the Portuguese Dictator...Rowling's ex-husband was Portuguese.
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Post by Anodyne on Jan 23, 2007 16:34:35 GMT -5
I had a conversation with someone once about symbols of freemasonary present in the book, and perhaps the film, and wonder if that is true? Well, it wasn't really a conversation. I didn't say much since I'm not familar with the books, or films. (well, I saw part of the films, while doing other stuff)
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Post by whateva on Jan 23, 2007 16:51:58 GMT -5
Anodyne:
The Harry Potter books are crawling with occult symbolism... not just as in symbols being present but also in the way the stories are structured.
That's what I was referring to with my "I think there's a whole lot more to Harry Potter than all that"-remark.
No reason to go all in conspiracy mode though. When you get behind the guise occultism is basically just about some religious views that were masqueraded behind elaborate symbolism because they would have been too controversial to present openly back in the days(but seem mainstream today because they are along the same vein as better known eastern religions).
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Post by Anodyne on Jan 23, 2007 16:59:49 GMT -5
Anodyne: The Harry Potter books are crawling with occult symbolism... not just as in symbols being present but also in the way the stories are structured. That's what I was referring to with my "I think there's a whole lot more to Harry Potter than all that"-remark. No reason to go all in conspiracy mode though. When you get behind the guise occultism is basically just about some religious views that were masqueraded behind elaborate symbolism because they would have been too controversial to present openly back in the days(but seem mainstream today because they are along the same vein as better known eastern religions). I don't think it's a conspiracy. I don't want to give the wrong impression. Authors use what they know to better their story, and I assume that's the case with her, but I don't know much about the books. I was just asking out of curiosity. I have nothing against masons. |
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Post by tyrannos on Jan 23, 2007 17:00:28 GMT -5
There's more controversy that she plagiarized other children's books by various authors with similar subject matter.. The " Young Sherlock Holmes" film from the early 1980's directed by Chris Columbus, has often been cited as being copied by Rowling..interestingly enough Columbus directed the first two installments of the movie franchise of Harry Potter.
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Post by whateva on Jan 23, 2007 17:13:40 GMT -5
I don't think it's a conspiracy. I don't want to give the wrong impression. Authors use what they know to better their story, and I assume that's the case with her, but I don't know much about the books. I was just asking out of curiosity. I have nothing against masons. There's a long tradition within English litterature for weaving in themes of philosophy or Christian mysticism into novels. C.S. Lewis' Narnia books are a good example(incorporating Christian themes and Platos philosophy) although he does so more openly than most. If you're interested enough there's a rather long text here which explores this - particularly in relation to Harry Potter: www.touchstonemag.com/docs/issues/16.9docs/16-9pg34.html |
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Post by oldpretan on Jan 24, 2007 9:59:08 GMT -5
: She made the Neanderthals dark, and the Cro-magnon's fair-skinned and blond. I once read a Poul Andersen short story where he got it right, freakish blonde mutant cromag girl expelled from her darky tribe finds a home with the fair & noble Neanders. ;D |
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Post by Jack on Jan 24, 2007 20:52:03 GMT -5
Some "experts" made careers out of finding hidden symbolism in everything under the sun. It's not even limited to Freemasonry, but that's usually in the mix. These are the same kinds of people who obsess over backwards masking and subliminal messages. One cat said that the word, "sex", was hidden in Ritz crackers.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 24, 2007 21:05:21 GMT -5
I'm reminded of the alleged "drug references" in the folktune: "Puff the Magic Dragon"
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