Woman Discovers She's An African Princess

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www.blacknews.com/video/african-princess.html

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You know, it's good for her, but surely this has nothing to do with the modern European idea of a "princess".
Someone married to a prince, or alternatively, a daughter of a king, the ruler of a COUNTRY, not a chieftan.

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jam said:

You know, it's good for her, but surely this has nothing to do with the modern European idea of a "princess".
Someone married to a prince, or alternatively, a daughter of a king, the ruler of a COUNTRY, not a chieftan.

Those African "cheiftains" are just as much "kings" as the ones of Europe once were. There's no difference, the African ones are even more high esteemed amongst their people than Europe's are. Why does something have to be based on a "European" standard to be considered real or not?

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rigaud said:

Why does something have to be based on a "European" standard to be considered real or not?

It IS an euro term, and nothing else.

You know jack shit about European royal terms. It's not like the term evolved i Africa. There's a big difference between chieftan and king. And that guy is NOT a king. A king is a leader of unified chieftans, notice the plural, or a leader of a COUNTRY (as a consequence.)

ps. how he's regarded by "his" people has nothing to do with it.

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jam said:

rigaud said:

Why does something have to be based on a "European" standard to be considered real or not?

It IS an euro term, and nothing else.

You know jack shit about European royal terms. It's not like the term evolved i Africa. There's a big difference between chieftan and king. And that guy is NOT a king. A king is a leader of unified chieftans, notice the plural, or a leader of a COUNTRY (as a consequence.)

ps. how he's regarded by "his" people has nothing to do with it.

That has everything to do with it, your perception of what a king is merely a Eurocentric one. If his people regard him as king he is a king, simple and plain, who gives a damn about the origin of the term?

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From what I gather, a king is just a male monarch, so I think the woman would fit the description of princess, maybe not in a European sense.

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rigaud said:

That has everything to do with it, your perception of what a king is merely a Eurocentric one. If his people regard him as king he is a king, simple and plain, who gives a damn about the origin of the term?

C'mon Charlie you know there is a difference in being the ruler of millions and of few dozens. If any village has a king being king means nothing.

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funk said:

From what I gather, a king is just a male monarch, so I think the woman would fit the description of princess, maybe not in a European sense.

You forget, it's an EUROPEAN term, or classification, not an arbitrary international one.

[Funk Monk]

What about "God"? Isn't that in the same vein? Is the Muslim deity not a god?

Heh, ikke for at komme op at skændes eller noget! Jeg synes bare Charlie har fået rimeligt mange hug mens han har været her...

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Much to my surprise Charlie has got a point here. There are certainly rulers in Africa who lead many thousands of people up to a few million and who are very wealthy indeed. Certainly what I'd call kings.

In fact since they exercise real power over their people they might be considered more real kings than those left in Europe.

See for instance:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabaka

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buganda

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mswati_III

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Of course today few of these kings are heads of state because the state borders were largely created by Europeans without regard to the actual ethnic make-up of the continent.

Still they are often seen by the people as their actual leaders and do in fact run domains spanning many provinces at least as far as "civilian", domestic politics go(as to their military muscle or influence on foreign policy I don't really know anything about that but it at least exist in some instances).

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I'm not saying that there aren't actual kings in Africa, I'm talking specifically about the girls father, the girl he posted about in the first post in this thread.

Kings are a post-chieftan phenomena. Otherwise every little warlord is a king - rather useless.

Of course King can be used to describe the equivalent person all over the world, but this guy's not.

funk said:

What about "God"? Isn't that in the same vein? Is the Muslim deity not a god?

Heh, ikke for at komme op at skændes eller noget! Jeg synes bare Charlie har fået rimeligt mange hug mens han har været her...

Han må ku li det - han kommer jo hele tiden tilbage, og han er altid blevet nedgjort på både RAS, Dododna, HBF osv.

MEN - jeg skriver ikke det her fordi jeg har noget mod ham, jeg er da enig med ham i nogle ting, men jeg har set disse såkaldte "prinsesser" beskrevet før - vi har også en herhjemme, selvom hun nok er mere prinsesseagtig end ovenstående.

Der er simpelthen gået inflation i prinsessebegrebet, det har kun mening i forb. med statsoverhoveder - de helt små stater her har jo kun fyrster, som er en lille konge, men de er stadig eller var, statsoverhoveder, hvilket IKKe er tilfældet med den såkaldte prinsesse, idet der er tale om et PRE- statssamfund (selvom der da er både en stat og et land dér, han er bare ikke overhoved for det, og dermed ikke KONGEN.

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Kings have always existed in Africa and they're not just mere political monarchs, but they're also considered as divine by their people which gives them more credibility and legitimacy than European kings. A warlord and a king are two different entities.

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rigaud said:

Kings have always existed in Africa and they're not just mere political monarchs, but they're also considered as divine by their people which gives them more credibility and legitimacy than European kings.

Rigaud, I'm sorry if it seems I'm trying to argues much against the idea that you can be an African princess - you can, just like anywhere else. But it doesn't matter how much his people think he's divine - the followers also thought Manson was divine, fx, but the matter of fact is that he's NOT HEAD OF STATE!

rigaud said:

A warlord and a king are two different entities.

Yes, and a chieftan and a king are also two different entities!

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nock said:

rigaud said:

That has everything to do with it, your perception of what a king is merely a Eurocentric one. If his people regard him as king he is a king, simple and plain, who gives a damn about the origin of the term?

C'mon Charlie you know there is a difference in being the ruler of millions and of few dozens. If any village has a king being king means nothing.

Somehow your logic doesn't make sense to me Mr strawman, lol. Are you saying mere numbers of subjets is what makes one a king?