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Post by Funk Monk on Jan 29, 2007 7:39:52 GMT -5
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jan 29, 2007 13:22:37 GMT -5
Those are great videos. I especially like the one with the former NOI guy. Interesting how he perceives the Levantine dude as being of a different race from the white guy. He's got "strong features" like blacks. Even though he's more depigmented than Theroux. lol
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Post by drooperdoo on Jan 29, 2007 14:22:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that. The Arab guy had blond hair and blue eyes--whereas Theroux has brown hair and eyes. Yet the black guy tried desperately to lump the Arab in with sub-Saharan negroes, rather than with Caucasoids.
Truly bizarre!
I guess the black guy felt some strange connection to the Arab because of Islam in African nations--Islam brought by Arabs who enslaved negroes and to this day sell black men in the Sudan for $32.00. Er . . . uh . . . never mind.
Yes, those fine Arabs.
No wonder the negro wants to lump himself in with them--they've been so good to blacks.
Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha
Read the famous Arab work "The Thousand and One Nights" and you'll see how Arabs had the same stereotypes for blacks that later Europeans would--that blacks were lazy, shiftless, had large penises and lusted after white women.
P.S.--Check out Theroux's visit to Al Sharpton's church. He catches him on camera during a sermon referring to "white devils" or some such nonsense. Yet we all routinely see Sharpton on MSNBC, treated as if he's respectable. WEould any white guy get away with what Sharpton does???
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Post by Yankel on Jan 29, 2007 17:43:08 GMT -5
There are so many Jews who look like the Arab guy. I'll bet if his name was Chaim, the black guy would have called him a hook-nosed devil.  |
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Post by Bilaad Binti on Jan 30, 2007 19:07:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that. The Arab guy had blond hair and blue eyes--whereas Theroux has brown hair and eyes. Yet the black guy tried desperately to lump the Arab in with sub-Saharan negroes, rather than with Caucasoids. Truly bizarre! I guess the black guy felt some strange connection to the Arab because of Islam in African nations--Islam brought by Arabs who enslaved negroes and to this day sell black men in the Sudan for $32.00. Er . . . uh . . . never mind. Yes, those fine Arabs. No wonder the negro wants to lump himself in with them--they've been so good to blacks. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha Read the famous Arab work "The Thousand and One Nights" and you'll see how Arabs had the same stereotypes for blacks that later Europeans would--that blacks were lazy, shiftless, had large penises and lusted after white women. P.S.--Check out Theroux's visit to Al Sharpton's church. He catches him on camera during a sermon referring to "white devils" or some such nonsense. Yet we all routinely see Sharpton on MSNBC, treated as if he's respectable. WEould any white guy get away with what Sharpton does??? Thousand and One nights was a Persian epic |
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Post by drooperdoo on Jan 30, 2007 19:43:03 GMT -5
"Thousand and One Nights" has stories derived from Arabia, Persia, Greece, India--and even China.
It takes place, however, in Baghdad. And all of its main characters are Arab--the prince and Scheherazade, etc.
That's why it's interchangeably called The Thousand and One Nights and The Arabian Nights. Not the Persian Nights.
And it was translated from the A-R-A-B-I-C by Sir Richard Burton--not from the Farsi.
I guess that's why we in the west associate it more with the Arabs than with the Persians--even though both Persia and Arabia have almost identical versions of the same epic. [I'm not sure who's is older].
But no matter. It's almost irrelevant since, by the time it got to us, the collection contained--as I said--stories from as far afield as China, and even some from France [like the famous Aladdin tale--which was interpolated by a European translator early on].
So, sorry I referred to the Arabian Nights--as translated from Arabic--as an "Arab" work.
Perhaps there's not a contradiction here, since the Persian empire stretched into Arabia and went so far west that--in Antiquity--it threatened Greece. So maybe that's why it can be called a "Persian" work, even though all the cities it mentiond are in Arabia, and none in modern-day Iran; why all its characters are Arabian, and none are Persian; why it first came to the West from the Arabic, not from the Farsi.
Kind of like how the Jews claim to have come out of Egypt, but there's no evidence for them having ever been in North Africa. The contradiction clears up, though, when one learns that--at its height--the Egyptian Empire spilled out into the Middle East and did indeed include Palestine. So by saying they "left Egypt," they may very well have been referring to the Egyptian colony on the Mediterranean shore of what is today Israel. So they wouldn't have been lying about having been in "Egypt" . . . if by "Egypt" they meant the Egyptian Empire and all its colonies.
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Post by Bilaad Binti on Jan 30, 2007 20:33:40 GMT -5
it is a Persian work, not Arabic...both Shahrazade and the prince were Persians, and are Farsi names. Baghdad back then was part of the Persian sphere, the name Baghdad is Persian, Sindbad, for example, is too. Its been translated from the Arabic durig victorian times because Arabic was equivalent to Latin in the Middle East, literature no matter where the origin, was usually written in Arabic. BTW, most of the stories are Persian by way of....I-N-D-I-A. not Arabia. If you want Arabian epics, check out Antar's: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antara_Ibn_Shaddad |
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Post by Bilaad Binti on Jan 30, 2007 20:38:18 GMT -5
Besides, it was Burton who coined the name 'Arabian nights' the original name of the epic/legend collabaration is: Hazâr-o Yak Ðab...again, Persian. And Shahrazade was a Sassanid Zoroastrian queen, pre-Islamic.
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Post by drooperdoo on Jan 31, 2007 12:42:01 GMT -5
Can you find a single city in it that's located in modern-day Iran?
Every single city mentioned in the work is in modern-day Iraq, from what I recall.
One of its most-famous stories revolves around the Iraqi city of Samarra. A man in Baghdad hears that he's fated to die, so he decides to flee to the smaller, out-of-the-way city of Samarra, so that death won't find him. Once there, however, he stumbles into death, who thanks him, saying, "I gave up hope of finding you in Baghdad, it's so big. Thank you for coming to Samarra, where there are fewer people--otherwise I may never have found you!"
Author John O'Hara used the title "Appointment in Samarra" as a metaphor for his book where the main character commits suicide.
Last year when American forces in Iraq sustained heavy losses in Samarra, I was waiting for someone in the media to see the pun.
But I waited--alas, in vain!
* But never mind. I think I might have found a solution to why The Thousand and One Nights seems "Arabized," even to the extent of so many people calling it The Arabian Nights. Islam conquered Persia around 600 AD. So hundreds of years later, when Persia stormed the Middle East and took over the region, it had already been "Arabized".
The oldest version of the book, however, seems to have pre-dated this Arabization of Persia. And you're right: It drew from Persian and Northern Indian culture. Isn't it ironic, then, to have the popular imagination associate it with Arabs, when in fact it was of Indo-European origin?
Let's rebel and start calling it The Aryan Nights. lol
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Post by Bilaad Binti on Jan 31, 2007 15:45:02 GMT -5
Iraq is where the Arabian cline intermingles with the Persian one...to this day, Persians and Arabs live a tense, disharmonic symbiosis there. Check this video out: www.liveleak.com/view?i=5c128f4eacAs for naming the epic stories the Aryan Nights, lol...well a good chunk of the stories have a Turkic origin...Hell, the story of Aladdin and the genie of the Lamp was based in Cathay, present day China. |
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Post by oldpretan on Feb 1, 2007 10:13:56 GMT -5
it is a Persian work, not Arabic...both Shahrazade and the prince were Persians, and are Farsi names. Baghdad back then was part of the Persian sphere, the name Baghdad is Persian, Sindbad, for example, is too. Its been translated from the Arabic durig victorian times because Arabic was equivalent to Latin in the Middle East, literature no matter where the origin, was usually written in Arabic. BTW, most of the stories are Persian by way of....I-N-D-I-A. not Arabia. If you want Arabian epics, check out Antar's: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antara_Ibn_ShaddadIt was written centuries before the Islamic Arabs expanded out of Arabia. Mesopotamia was Assyrian, Babylonian & then Persian, each of which extended their control as far as the Levant, then Alexander of Macedon came and whopped them. Hindu polytheism also spread east & west and had influence from Arabia to Indonesia, zero is an Indian concept not arabian. |
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Post by tyrannos on Feb 1, 2007 14:44:22 GMT -5
^Yes! The Arab science began only by and after assimilating all the Greco-Roman and Hindu scientific works .
*The history channel actually had a good program on,were they discussed Sicilian Archemedes' inventions like the first Odometer ,which he used to measure the Roman roads. Also
another Italian,though largely unknown genius , by the name of Giovanni da Fontana. He deigned and built the first car/wheel chair,which was powered by pulleys.
He's also the author of a sketchbook called Bellicorum instrumentorum liber (Book of War Instruments), published in 1420, in which appear various rocket-propelled devices including a cart designed to smash through enemy strongholds and a surface-running torpedo for setting fire to enemy ships.
They built his rocket car,and it worked.
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Post by imaginarypallies on Feb 3, 2007 23:13:08 GMT -5
Hey, Wheres the Ayrab i can't be bothered watching this whole thing!
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Post by imaginarypallies on Feb 3, 2007 23:19:12 GMT -5
"if you know your not a devil don't let it bother you, if you let it bother you maybe theres a little devil in you" isn't that Ironic? can't I say if you know your not a Nigger don't let it bother you when you get called one?
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Post by imaginarypallies on Feb 3, 2007 23:37:36 GMT -5
That Arab guy might be Palestinian but he doesn't strike me as any other type of Levantine his features are very Arabian.
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