Lappoid/id?

[jam]

Well, no posts here, so I'll start.
Maybe a typical subject from me, but so be it.

I've been think about the Lappid type as usual, and I think this woman must be specifically "Lappid", as she's obviously European, but got some specific features - that does not seem Mongoloid at all, but rather specifically Lappish Europid. _{(She is, of course, a real Sámi)}



Agree?

[Funk Monk]

What really sets Lappids apart from East Baltids?

And by the way, this particular sub-forum has just been created, therefore no posts yet!

[jam]

Ok, so that's why

Anyway, I'm not really sure what the difference really is. Maybe it's the East-baltid's that's not always rightly classified.
They're usually shown as depigmented, but this one's not.

[Admin]

[Forrester speaking]

Anyway, I'm not really sure what the difference really is. Maybe it's the East-baltid's that's not always rightly classified.

They're usually shown as depigmented, but this one's not.

Most Lapps are dark-haired. Most Baltic people are light-haired. Few or no Lapps are "East-Baltid".

What really sets Lappids apart from East Baltids?

They don't have a relation. This confusion comes from the made-up term "Lappoid". If talking about East-Baltids, the proper term should be Uralid, or at least Ladogan.

Lapponoid was an early name for Alpinoids, who are metrically similar to Lappids--

Mongoliform French West-Alpinid:


Textbook Lappid:


The East-Baltic type is an extremely borealised Baltid-Uralid mixture:


There is no metrical or origins relation between East-Baltid-Uralid and Lappids (and quite some distance between Baltids and the pre-Lappid Cro-Magnoid), just a similarity in eye-folds:
med1nuc11.dfc.unifi.it/linnets/troe/texts/p2.htm

[oldpretan]

funk said:

What really sets Lappids apart from East Baltids?

And by the way, this particular sub-forum has just been created, therefore no posts yet!

Quite a lot it would seem:-
"Classification of the Saami mtDNA lineages revealed that the absolute majority of these are clustered in a subset of the European mtDNA pool"

"The Y-chromosomal haplogroups N3 and R1a, which make up ¡­60% of the Saami Y-chromosomal variants, have likely reached Fennoscandia from eastern Europe (fig. 4B), where these haplogroups can be found in high frequencies, as among the Saami. Haplogroups I and R1b, which together make up a third of Saami Y chromosomes, seem to have arisen in western Europe"

forum.stirpes.net/genetics-human-microbiology/8161-western-eastern-roots-saami.html

You'll find the Gripp in full spate.

The young lady pictured is rather cute, I have seen such faces in Britland but not a lot.

[annienormanna]

Heh. I had an argument with the Gripp based on U5 founder effect among Saami. That the basis of Saami is a localized ancient European population, specific to the area, and that the genetic distancing between other European populations is based on bottlenecks in localized UP Y haplogroups. Despite his insistance on phenotypical admixture, if we're going to play borealization games we start with Europids.

The idea of kidnapped Lapps showing up in Grenoble seems a bit more far fetched than dealing with the breadth of human plasticity and indigeneity.

Lapps are very local.

[imaginarypallies]

jam said:

Well, no posts here, so I'll start.
Maybe a typical subject from me, but so be it.

I've been think about the Lappid type as usual, and I think this woman must be specifically "Lappid", as she's obviously European, but got some specific features - that does not seem Mongoloid at all, but rather specifically Lappish Europid. _{(She is, of course, a real Sámi)}



Agree?

she looks like me kinda, im amerindian

[jam]

Maybe she does have the same overall face shape, but her features are different - short concave nose, pale skin (compared to you - if you're Yigal?) And she have eyes not deep set, and thin eyebrows.

[imaginarypallies]

jam said:

Maybe she does have the same overall face shape, but her features are different - short concave nose, pale skin (compared to you - if you're Yigal?) And she have eyes not deep set, and thin eyebrows.

you're kidding about eyebrows right? those things are shaved and penciled in you cant you see eyebrows like that on tacky I-ties and Mexicans all the time.

[Forrester]

mjora said:

Can some one tell me what do you see in this appearantly Turkish Woman.I've found her picture when I was searching for a Turkish female name but I couldn't find more information about her.

The nose definitely looks the part.

[jam]

imaginarypallies said:

jam said:

Maybe she does have the same overall face shape, but her features are different - short concave nose, pale skin (compared to you - if you're Yigal?) And she have eyes not deep set, and thin eyebrows.

you're kidding about eyebrows right? those things are shaved and penciled in you cant you see eyebrows like that on tacky I-ties and Mexicans all the time.

Maybe, but I doubt they're like yours. Judging by all the Sámi pictures posted before, they generally seem thin and often weak, and set sorta high on the head. There's exception, of course, there always are.
But I cannot know for sure...

forrester said:

mjora said:

Can some one tell me what do you see in this appearantly Turkish Woman.I've found her picture when I was searching for a Turkish female name but I couldn't find more information about her.

The nose definitely looks the part.

I don't really think so, there's some similarity, but she does just have a short broad nose, not as baby like as the girl I posted. She does look a little unusual, not like any Turks I've seen?

[imaginarypallies]

jam said:

imaginarypallies said:

you're kidding about eyebrows right? those things are shaved and penciled in you cant you see eyebrows like that on tacky I-ties and Mexicans all the time.

Maybe, but I doubt they're like yours. Judging by all the Sámi pictures posted before, they generally seem thin and often weak, and set sorta high on the head. There's exception, of course, there always are.
But I cannot know for sure...

forrester said:

The nose definitely looks the part.

I don't really think so, there's some similarity, but she does just have a short broad nose, not as baby like as the girl I posted. She does look a little unusual, not like any Turks I've seen?

i've def seen Arabs that look like that turk though, Mostly all Gazans and Egyptians

[jam]

Maybe she's just heavy set, but she may have some veddoidness to her - a little!

[Forrester]

I don't really think so, there's some similarity, but she does just have a short broad nose, not as baby like as the girl I posted.

To be clear, I wasn't talking about a similarity to your girl.

[jam]

Now you're confusing me, what then?