Liberal vs. Conservative

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[atessalev]

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If I had to pick a lesser of the two evils i would choose the liberals. I'm center left myself. Conservatives are all about the rich. I bet Anodyne is ultra conservative.

[Anodyne]

rigaud said:

If I had to pick a lesser of the two evils i would choose the liberals. I'm center left myself. Conservatives are all about the rich. I bet Anodyne is ultra conservative.

I'm a Classic liberal, which is obvious to anyone who reads my posts, and has even a superficial grasp of political theories and history.

Original Liberal - Also know as classical liberal. Someone who values rights over traditional values. Someone who espouses personal rights and freedom over state rights. Advocates a free market, non-government interventionist approach. Sees government as a necessary evil, whose only function is to protect people’s rights and freedom.

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ayndostoy said:

rigaud said:

If I had to pick a lesser of the two evils i would choose the liberals. I'm center left myself. Conservatives are all about the rich. I bet Anodyne is ultra conservative.

I'm a Classic liberal, which is obvious to anyone who reads my posts, and has even a superficial grasp of political theories and history.

Original Liberal - Also know as classical liberal. Someone who values rights over traditional values. Someone who espouses personal rights and freedom over state rights. Advocates a free market, non-government interventionist approach. Sees government as a necessary evil, whose only function is to protect people’s rights and freedom.

Well your views on African-Americans have a strong neo-conservative sway to them, almost like Bill O'Reilly.

[Anodyne]

rigaud said:

ayndostoy said:

I'm a Classic liberal, which is obvious to anyone who reads my posts, and has even a superficial grasp of political theories and history.

Original Liberal - Also know as classical liberal. Someone who values rights over traditional values. Someone who espouses personal rights and freedom over state rights. Advocates a free market, non-government interventionist approach. Sees government as a necessary evil, whose only function is to protect people’s rights and freedom.

Well your views on African-Americans have a strong neo-conservative sway to them, almost like Bill O'Reilly.

Actually, my views on African- Americans have a classical liberal sway to them. No one deserves special privileges because of race, which is what you want for African- Americans. Some ideological outlooks have similarities, but neo- conservatives are statists, and hence very different than classical liberals.

O'Reilly is probably more of a traditional conservative. I'm not sure. I don't have cable.

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ayndostoy said:

rigaud said:

Well your views on African-Americans have a strong neo-conservative sway to them, almost like Bill O'Reilly.

Actually, my views on African- Americans have a classical liberal sway to them. No one deserves special privileges because of race, which is what you want for African- Americans. Some ideological outlooks have similarities, but neo- conservatives are statists, and hence very different than classical liberals.

O'Reilly is probably more of a traditional conservative. I'm not sure. I don't have cable.

As a black man Anodyne, I'm not interested in blacks having special priviliges for my people, although i do believe blacks deserve some form of compensation for slavery, like exemption from taxes for example. my bef with you is that you make alot of generalized statements about blacks and hold certain beliefs about blacks, collectively, that are *NOT* indicativ of my people. How could you claim to have any understanding of a people without actually seing they experience first hand? You take the actions and attitudes of a minority of blacks[inner city "ghetto" people] and hold them up as if it represents an entire population of 39.4 million people as a whole. That right there tells me you know very little about blacks. You quote that Bell Curve book like its some gospel about blacks, i'm like what is this dude talking about? You may not see that you have a problem, but I and most American blacks would see it, would we *ALL* be wrong and you right?

[Anodyne]

rigaud said:

ayndostoy said:

Actually, my views on African- Americans have a classical liberal sway to them. No one deserves special privileges because of race, which is what you want for African- Americans. Some ideological outlooks have similarities, but neo- conservatives are statists, and hence very different than classical liberals.

O'Reilly is probably more of a traditional conservative. I'm not sure. I don't have cable.

As a black man Anodyne, I'm not interested in blacks having special priviliges for my people, although i do believe blacks deserve some form of compensation for slavery, like exemption from taxes for example.

Being exempt from taxes is a special privillege. I gave an argument against so called "compensation" that you haven't addressed. My response was logically sound. There's no point in arguing over that issue if you're unwilling to challenge my argument.

my bef with you is that you make alot of generalized statements about blacks and hold certain beliefs about blacks, collectively, that are *NOT* indicativ of my people.

All my claims are based on statistics, which is hard evidence. You don't present anything that counters it, and when you do, as last time, I'm able to look deeper into your source then you because I bother to look at the original sources cited, and that's why you shoot yourself in the foot.

How could you claim to have any understanding of a people without actually seing they experience first hand? You take the actions and attitudes of a minority of blacks[inner city "ghetto" people] and hold them up as if it represents an entire population of 39.4 million people as a whole. That right there tells me you know very little about blacks.

I've never said that the actions of one man reflects on an entire group. What I have said is that there are negative trends, and postive trends, within cultural/ethnic groups that explains much. To say otherwise is to ignore the statistics.

You quote that Bell Curve book like its some gospel about blacks, i'm like what is this dude talking about?

When have I quoted The Bell Curve in an argument with you? And, what is exactly wrong with The Bell Curve, specifically? It has many insights. However, it also has flaws.

You may not see that you have a problem, but I and most American blacks would see it, would we *ALL* be wrong and you right?

I deal with reality. You, and many others, white and black, prefer excuses. So, yes, I'm right, because I have evidence to back me up, and the use of reason. Facts and reason trump group think. Instead of whining, deal with the problems at hand. Don't try to imply that I'm a racist, because my history in "race forums" show otherwise.

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ayndostoy said:

Being exempt from taxes is a special privillege. I gave an argument against so called "compensation" that you haven't addressed. My response was logically sound. There's no point in arguing over that issue if you're unwilling to challenge my argument.

I feel my basis is logically ound, you don't screw people over for their entire existence in a country up until 43 years ago and then say tough luck. You might not agree with what I'm suggesting, but saying nothing should be done make even worse sense.

All my claims are based on statistics, which is hard evidence. You don't present anything that counters it, and when you do, as last time, I'm able to look deeper into your source then you because I bother to look at the original sources cited, and that's why you shoot yourself in the foot.

You statistics don't prove jack, you're simply hiding behind those stats to get around the fact that you have a serious predjudice against black people. I can rattle off stats about white racism, past and present, but bottom line, if I'm prejudice and racist against whites, those I'm throwing out are nothing more than a smoke screen and cover for my racism and prejudice. WNs do the same thing, but more blatantly and offensively to justify their racism and stereotypes and prejuduces. In short, there is no exscuse for racism, prejudice and negative stereotypes. If you have a problem you have a problem and hiding behind stats isn't going to make it go away.

When have I quoted The Bell Curve in an argument with you? And, what is exactly wrong with The Bell Curve, specifically? It has many insights. However, it also has flaws.

The Bell Curve is racist pseudo-sciece at it best because it states in a nutshell that if you took away the legacy of racism and slavey, blacks are genetically and intellectually predetermined to be in the condition that they're in, which is absolutely bogus, what is so insightful about that?

I deal with reality. You, and many others, white and black, prefer excuses. So, yes, I'm right, because I have evidence to back me up, and the use of reason. Facts and reason trump group think. Instead of whining, deal with the problems at hand. Don't try to imply that I'm a racist, because my history in "race forums" show otherwise.

Anodyne, you do have a problem with black people , period. Your actions in quoting up all these stats is your means of both trying to cover it up and rationalize it. I don't judge people and make general statements about people based on stats, I deal with people for who they are. If there is anyone avoiding reality and hiding behind excuses[your use of stats] its you. Hee is Mississippi we have plenty of white who live in tralier parks and homes who's ways arewould be considered backwards by most, but you don't hear me talking about "white tralier park culture" do you?

[Anodyne]

rigaud said:

ayndostoy said:

I feel my basis is logically ound, you don't screw people over for their entire existence in a country up until 43 years ago and then say tough luck. You might not agree with what I'm suggesting, but saying nothing should be done make even worse sense.





You statistics don't prove jack, you're simply hiding behind those stats to get around the fact that you have a serious predjudice against black people.

I didn't write the studies, sir. They aren't my statistics. That's not the type of work I do. And I find it odd that you claim I hide behind the statistics since you're the one who brings these stats up to prove a point. I simply explain them to you, since you're unable to read them correctly.

I can rattle off stats about white racism, past and present, but bottom line, if I'm prejudice and racist against whites, those I'm throwing out are nothing more than a smoke screen and cover for my racism and prejudice. WNs do the same thing, but more blatantly and offensively to justify their racism and stereotypes and prejuduces. In short, there is no exscuse for racism, prejudice and negative stereotypes. If you have a problem you have a problem and hiding behind stats isn't going to make it go away.

You're rambling. Once again, statistics allow us to have an unbias view of the world. The problem you have is with reality, not me.

The Bell Curve is racist pseudo-sciece at it best because it states in a nutshell that if you took away the legacy of racism and slavey, blacks are genetically and intellectually predetermined to be in the condition that they're in, which is absolutely bogus, what is so insightful about that?

"It's racist!" is not an argument.

What's insightful about it? Productivity seems to be correlated with IQ regardless of the type of job.

I deal with reality. You, and many others, white and black, prefer excuses. So, yes, I'm right, because I have evidence to back me up, and the use of reason. Facts and reason trump group think. Instead of whining, deal with the problems at hand. Don't try to imply that I'm a racist, because my history in "race forums" show otherwise.

Anodyne, you do have a problem with black people , period.

Sure, that explains my arguments against racists. Do you follow my posts at all?

Your actions in quoting up all these stats is your means of both trying to cover it up and rationalize it. I don't judge people and make general statements about people based on stats, I deal with people for who they are.

Well, that's bullshit. Your claims about homosexuals, and muslims, are very revealing. Also, I don't judge individuals based on trends the statistics show among people of the same ethnic/cultural group. What I do is judge the values behind cultural trends. If a significant portion of a population didn't follow that trend then it wouldn't be worth mentioning.

If there is anyone avoiding reality and hiding behind excuses[your use of stats] its you. Hee is Mississippi we have plenty of white who live in tralier parks and homes who's ways arewould be considered backwards by most, but you don't hear me talking about "white tralier park culture" do you?

If you believe that "White trailer park culture," otherwise known as redneck culture, exists then you have a right to talk about it because it is a cultural trend that is dangerous to our society. Why not talk about it? It's a serious issue.

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ayndostoy said:

rigaud said:

I didn't write the studies, sir. They aren't my statistics. That's not the type of work I do. And I find it odd that you claim I hide behind the statistics since you're the one who brings these stats up to prove a point. I simply explain them to you, since you're unable to read them correctly.

Dude, the stats you throw up are irrelevant, if you harbor personal predjudices and a attitudes about blacks in a negative manner those stats cannot be used as a means of rationalizing them. You don't have point out jack to me nor make me understand anything about those stats because I fully understand what they state. For the record, those stats don't solely reflect "black problems" because they cut across all the so-called "racial" groups in America, but I'm not going to let you draw me into arguing about them because those stats aren't the real issue at hand, its the negative attitudes and predjudices about blacks that you harbor thats the real issue.

You're rambling. Once again, statistics allow us to have an unbias view of the world. The problem you have is with reality, not me.

No, stats do quite the opposite of what you say. Look at how David Duke and Jared Taylor and like use stats like that and their views are far from being unbiased. Thats exactly where you#re wrong and you just proved that I was right when I said you use those stats as a cover for your own negative attitudes and prejudices towards blacks.

What's insightful about it? Productivity seems to be correlated with IQ.

Succes isn't predicated on IQ, but once again I'm not arguing this, there have been plenty of high IQ who are less than successful, its indivdual drive and determination that determine success, not some score on some test.

Well, that's bullshit. Your claims about homosexuals, and muslims, are very revealing.

I have no bias against Muslims except that I disagree with the actions of their radical kind who do wrong and the same goes for Christians a´s far as I'm concerned. as for homosexuals, as a Christian, i fully disagree with their lifestyle based on the Bible. If thy kept in private I probably wouldn't care, but making politics out of it and calling people "homophobes" who reject it as a means to gain acceptance is BS. I think I have a good reason for having that view.

Also, I don't judge individuals based on trends the statistics show among people of the same ethnic/cultural group.

Yes buddy you are, when you say crap like 2black ghetto culture"

What I do is judge the values behind cultural trends. If a significant portion of population didn't follow taht trend then it wouldn't be worth mentioning.

What values? people who live in poverty live differently than those who are not and that cuts across all "racial" and ethnic lines, that doesn't man that such people have lower inferior values than those who are not poor. A significant amount of blacks don't hold these negative "ghetto" values you speak of. There are 39.4 million of us in the US, care to explain how most of have these values?

If there is anyone avoiding reality and hiding behind excuses[your use of stats] its you. Hee is Mississippi we have plenty of white who live in tralier parks and homes who's ways arewould be considered backwards by most, but you don't hear me talking about "white tralier park culture" do you?

You don't beleive that "White trailer park culture," otherwise known as redneck culture, exists? You have a right to talk about it because it is a cultural trend that is dangerous to our society. Why not talk about it? It's a serious issue.

When did I say anything about white redneck 2culture2 not existing? Don't put words in my mouth. I don't need to focus on it and worry about it because it does nothing for me and against me and I don't judge whites by what I see in trailer parks, that would be beyond ridiculous.

[Anodyne]

rigaud said:

ayndostoy said:

Dude, the stats you throw up are irrelevant,

You mean the stats that you bring up, or are part of the sources you cite? First time I heard anyone mention their own sources are irrelevant.

if you harbor personal predjudices and a attitudes about blacks in a negative manner those stats cannot be used as a means of rationalizing them.

I don't harbor any personal prejudices towards blacks, in general. Saying that I do doesn't make it so.

You don't have point out jack to me nor make me understand anything about those stats because I fully understand what they state.

It's quite obvious that you don't.

For the record, those stats don't solely reflect "black problems" because they cut across all the so-called "racial" groups in America, but I'm not going to let you draw me into arguing about them because those stats aren't the real issue at hand,

You mean like volent crime? Which is mostly a black and Latino problem and affects whites?

its the negative attitudes and predjudices about blacks that you harbor thats the real issue

You decided that I'm a racist because you lose arguments with me dealing with race in America, and just about everything else. You don't want to deal with statistics, or anything with substance, because you keep losing. You rather paint me as a racist, but here's your problem.... you don't have any evidence. All evidence is to the contrary.

No, stats do quite the opposite of what you say. Look at how David Duke and Jared Taylor and like use stats like that and their views are far from being unbiased. Thats exactly where you#re wrong and you just proved that I was right when I said you use those stats as a cover for your own negative attitudes and prejudices towards blacks.

Wait a moment... I'm like David Duke and Jared Taylor because I use statistics to prove my case? Well, perhaps I should be more like you and not offer any tangible evidence, but rather scream "you're racist!" whenever I'm losing. Fact is, Duke and Taylor use the data because it bolsters their case that blacks are more likely to be criminals, welfare cases, and have children out of wedlock. They're using FACTS to bolster their case, and their case is based on genetics being the cause. However, I haven't come to the same conclusion. I've already pointed out my conclusion to you (I'll give you a hint: CULTURAL VALUES)

Succes isn't predicated on IQ, but once again I'm not arguing this, there have been plenty of high IQ who are less than successful, its indivdual drive and determination that determine success, not some score on some test.

This is silly. I've never said everyone with a high IQ is successful. Other variables do play a role. I've never said otherwise in the past. However, people with high IQs are much more likely to rise above their co- workers, and occupations that demand a great amount of cognitive effort are dominated with people with high IQs. All the hard work and determination in the world won't make me a doctor. I'm bright, but not bright enough to be a doctor. We'd be living in Wonderland if a person with an IQ of 90 became a lawyer because he was "determined."

I have no bias against Muslims except that I disagree with the actions of their radical kind who do wrong and the same goes for Christians a´s far as I'm concerned. as for homosexuals, as a Christian, i fully disagree with their lifestyle based on the Bible. If thy kept in private I probably wouldn't care, but making politics out of it and calling people "homophobes" who reject it as a means to gain acceptance is BS. I think I have a good reason for having that view.

You're very sweet, and all, but when the topic comes up, and you forget to present a front, I'll be waiting to point it out. I have a very good memory.

Yes buddy you are, when you say crap like 2black ghetto culture"

Your response makes no sense. There are trends found in the black ghetto culture. I don't see how this reflects on an individual unless he's part of that culture.

What values? people who live in poverty live differently than those who are not and that cuts across all "racial" and ethnic lines, that doesn't man that such people have lower inferior values than those who are not poor.

Yes, poverty cuts across racial and ethnic lines, but if you could read statistics you'd see that certain groups are more likely to have members living in poverty. Now, not all poor folk are poor because of their values. Some people have had tough breaks. However, to say that this is the case for the majority is to deny reality. A lack of a work ethic, personal responsibility, handling money, etc. are products of inferior values that are more likely to be found among the poor, because poverty is a consequence of ignorance.

A significant amount of blacks don't hold these negative "ghetto" values you speak of. There are 39.4 million of us in the US, care to explain how most of have these values?

I didn't say most. I said a significant portion. Is English your first language? You got it right in the first sentence, but got it wrong in the last. The statistics speak for themselves. The rate of crime, children born out of wedlock, heavy drug abuse, welfare cases, etc. is well known. Blaming whites and supposed discrimination doesn't work much considering how well Jamacians do, and the fatcthere is a black middle class. Is it surprising, for comparison, that third generation Mexcians do better economcially than their parents generation, or recent arrivals? I guess third generation American Mestzos all of a sudden turned into pasty white guys over night. Discrimination as a major factor is crap.

You don't beleive that "White trailer park culture," otherwise known as redneck culture, exists? You have a right to talk about it because it is a cultural trend that is dangerous to our society. Why not talk about it? It's a serious issue.

When did I say anything about white redneck 2culture2 not existing?

I was being sarcastic considering you have a tendency to ignore reality to try to prove a point. Since most things fly over your head I edited my post before you responded.

Don't put words in my mouth. I don't need to focus on it and worry about it because it does nothing for me and against me and I don't judge whites by what I see in trailer parks, that would be beyond ridiculous.

Why not worry about it? Your taxes are used to pay their bills, and keep criminals who come from this subculture in prison. Don't you care that people, and their property, are damaged because of these fools?

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ayndostoy said:

rigaud said:

ayndostoy said:

You mean the stats that you bring up, or are part of the sources you cite? First time I heard anyone mention their own sources are irrelevant.

I'm talking about how everytime confront you and say you have a problem with the way you try to present blacks you get defensive and throw those same stats out there as a way to cover up and rationalize such negative attitudes. The argument was never about the stats itself , its about yournegative attitudes and prejudices, that is the entire point. I'm not arguing about stats because thats another argument.

I don't harbor any personal prejudices towards blacks, in general. Saying that I do doesn't make it so.

Yes you do, you're letting the actions of a minority blacks define how you view a significant portion of blacks. If I did the same with white rednecks from the south and applied to a significant portion of whI would be wrong too. What you're doing is typical of those whites who overtly and deliberately show no obvious prejudice from first glance, but unknowningly do hold negative stereotypes, attitudes and pejudices against blacks. No one has addressed you in the way I have so you're probably all offended at being told such things, but its fact.

It's quite obvious that you don't.

LOL, man whatever !

You mean like volent crime? Which is mostly a black and Latino problem and affects whites?

Violent isn't just a "black" and Latino problem and whites aren't the ones most affected. Putting a color to crime labelling it as black, white or whatever is just plain stupid because you're not focusing on white crime, you're simply understating it. Whites aren't the victims here.

You decided that I'm a racist because you lose arguments with me dealing with race in America, and just about everything else.

BS, I'm not calling you racist, I said you hold negative racial stereotypes, attotudes and prejudices against blacks that you're probably not aware of and you throw up the same stats everytime as a means to cover it and rationalize it

You don't want to deal with statistics, or anything with substance, because you keep losing. You rather paint me as a racist, but here's your problem.... you don't have any evidence. All evidence is to the contrary.

Thats BS again, I'm telling you why I have fault with you and you keep hiding behind stats. Those stats don't prove there's a black ghetto subculture, it just proves that based of siocioeconomic factors poor inner city people are more likely to be criminal and that isn't a "black" thing, its cuts across all "racial" and ethnic barriers. Most blacks in inner cities don't commit crime and have ghetto values, most have good values but a poor economic condition. I've walked in some of these ghettos myself[New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, Jackson and Atlanta and I'm telling you its not what you think and those stats you throw up paint a deceptive picture. But unless you know, talk to ansd spend time amongst the masses, you will never know. Sitting behind a computer quoting stats without actually getting to know the people in question is just plain stupid, and on't tell me "I don't need to get to know the people, the stats tell all" because thats just an excuse fo being ignorant to whats really going on.

Wait a moment... I'm like David Duke and Jared Taylor because I use statistics to prove my case?

Yes, you do similar things, because how many personal experiences have you had with criminal blacks? How many unwed mothers have you talked to? How many ghetto blacks have you mingled with? Thats my point right there exactly. You may not be a racist in the exact mold of Duke or Taylor, but your use of stats to rationalize negative stereotypes, attitudes and prejudice against blacks is certainly the same. i don't judge whits by looking at stats online, so whats your justification?







You're very sweet, and all, but when the topic comes up, and you forget to present a front, I'll be waiting to point it out. I have a very good memory.



These little side arguments about stats doesn't change the fact that you do hold negative stereotypes, attotudes and prejudices against blacks, so I'm not backing off that point and I will not be drawn off of it, until you properly address it and quit running and hiding.

[Anodyne]

rigaud said:

ayndostoy said:

rigaud said:

I'm talking about how everytime confront you and say you have a problem with the way you try to present blacks you get defensive and throw those same stats out there as a way to cover up and rationalize such negative attitudes.

LOL! I get defensive? Look in the mirror. You're the one who has brought up stats in the past. I simply explain them to you. The only stats I've introduced have been the US census. Everything else has coem from you, or a source you linnked me to. So stop repeating yourself. You may have nothing to do, but I do.

The argument was never about the stats itself , its about yournegative attitudes and prejudices, that is the entire point. I'm not arguing about stats because thats another argument.

The "argument," if anything, is that Anodyne (me) has a problem with blacks, which is an accusation you fail to prove. Everything I say is backed by the facts, which are based on statistics. I'm not going to lie to make you feel good. The only way a problem can be dealt with is if you deal with the facts first. Hell, when I accused Spengler for having a personal dislike towards Iberians I was at least able to use his exact words to prove my case. In that case I had clear cut evidence. You don't have that in my case. Nor do I spend much time on race forums discussing blacks.

Yes you do, you're letting the actions of a minority blacks define how you view a significant portion of blacks.

It's a significant minority.

If I did the same with white rednecks from the south and applied to a significant portion of whI would be wrong too.

Not if you have facts to back up your claim. Redneck culture has many of the same values as ghetto blacks.

What you're doing is typical of those whites who overtly and deliberately show no obvious prejudice from first glance, but unknowningly do hold negative stereotypes, attitudes and pejudices against blacks. No one has addressed you in the way I have so you're probably all offended at being told such things, but its fact.

I'm not offended at being right.

LOL, man whatever !

I've shown in the past that you're unable to read statistics, and you don't look at your sources in depth. Anyone interested can go to Gareth's, or old Dodona, to see for themselves.

Violent isn't just a "black" and Latino problem and whites aren't the ones most affected. Putting a color to crime labelling it as black, white or whatever is just plain stupid because you're not focusing on white crime, you're simply understating it. Whites aren't the victims here.

The statistics show that blacks and Latinos are much more likely to commit violent crimes than whites. It's so bad that the FBI lumps Latinos with white criminals to try to hide the difference. However, even when Latinos are lumped with whites the difference between white and black criminals is still significantly large. The statistics also show that Black on white crime is a major problem. I've gone over this with you many times.

BS, I'm not calling you racist, I said you hold negative racial stereotypes, attotudes and prejudices against blacks that you're probably not aware of and you throw up the same stats everytime as a means to cover it and rationalize it

Thank goodness you're here to make me aware Further down in this thread you contradict yourself.

Thats BS again, I'm telling you why I have fault with you and you keep hiding behind stats. Those stats don't prove there's a black ghetto subculture, it just proves that based of siocioeconomic factors poor inner city people are more likely to be criminal and that isn't a "black" thing, its cuts across all "racial" and ethnic barriers.

I've answered this and so I won't repeat myself again.

Most blacks in inner cities don't commit crime and have ghetto values, most have good values but a poor economic condition. I've walked in some of these ghettos myself[New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, Jackson and Atlanta and I'm telling you its not what you think and those stats you throw up paint a deceptive picture.

My ex girlfriend grew up in a black ghetto. I've visted her family. Her black step sister seems to have a different view than yoruself, but she expresses it with humor. Anyway, personal experience is irrelevant. What is relevant are the facts, and statistics (I know how you suddenly hate statistics) show that these communities are crime ridden, among other things. Saying that most blacks living in ghettos don't commit crime doesn't mean much, considering most people aren't criminals. However, a significant portion of people in the black community are criminally oriented. Much more than any other group, and this is a major burden to everyone in society, including blacks.

But unless you know, talk to ansd spend time amongst the masses, you will never know.

You don't know anything about me and so I suggest you don't assume.

Sitting behind a computer quoting stats without actually getting to know the people in question is just plain stupid, and on't tell me "I don't need to get to know the people, the stats tell all" because thats just an excuse fo being ignorant to whats really going on.

I didn't realize dealing with factual information was being "ignorant."

Wait a moment... I'm like David Duke and Jared Taylor because I use statistics to prove my case?

Yes, you do similar things, because how many personal experiences have you had with criminal blacks? How many unwed mothers have you talked to? How many ghetto blacks have you mingled with? Thats my point right there exactly.

As I've mentioned before, personal experience is irrelvant since it allows for a bias. Only through a collection of experiences, form different sources, can you come with a well founded conclusion.

You may not be a racist in the exact mold of Duke or Taylor, but your use of stats to rationalize negative stereotypes, attitudes and prejudice against blacks is certainly the same. i don't judge whits by looking at stats online, so whats your justification?

So you do think I'm a racist. By saying, "you may not be a racist in the exact mold" you're saying I'm a racist, but not like those two. I don't judge individual blacks by the statistics, as you imply here, I judge subcultures by the statistics. I've stated this before. Every argument with you ends up in repetition because you refuse to listen.

These little side arguments about stats doesn't change the fact that you do hold negative stereotypes, attotudes and prejudices against blacks, so I'm not backing off that point and I will not be drawn off of it, until you properly address it and quit running and hiding.

Your point is ""Anodyne dislikes blacks," which you have nothing to base your opinion. Especially since I've defended rights for blacks on race forums.

You added nothing new to this "debate." Until you do I won't bother.

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ayndostoy said:

rigaud said:

ayndostoy said:

It's a significant minority.

Yes sure, LOL, whatever, "significant minority". There are 39.4 million blacks and less than 1.5 million have any criminal involvement, :rolleyes:

Not if you have facts to back up your claim. Redneck culture has many of the same values as ghetto blacks.

Poor people period simply live differently because they are poor, nothing "black ghetto" and "white redneck" about it.

The statistics show that blacks and Latinos are much more likely to commit violent crimes than whites.

No one has denied that blacks are more likely to commit violent crime, but the rate of violent crimes committed by blacks and whites is nearly the same, the only thing with whites is that they have more numbers on their side. But that in itself doesn't make blacks "more criminal" than whites.

It's so bad that the FBI lumps Latinos with white criminals to try to hide the difference. However, even when Latinos are lumped with whites the difference between white and black criminals is still significantly large.

the difference being in per capita, not numbers, only.

The statistics also show that Black on white crime is a major problem.

No it isn't because those "black on white" crimes could just as well be "black on Latino". Since most crime is intraracial rather than interracial whites have more to worry about from other whites than blacks.

Anyway, personal experience is irrelevant.

Yes, personal experience is relevant because lack of personal experience leads people to make ignorant stereotypes and prejudices, things that can all be avoided if people had personal experience with dealing with a certain group of people. i can't believe you're this incredible damn ignorant to say something like that.

What is relevant are the facts, and statistics (I know how you suddenly hate statistics) show that these communities are crime ridden, among other things.

I don't hate the stats, I hate the fact that you use them to rationalize and hide your negative stereotypes and prejudices towards blacks. I know everything amongst my people isn't all nice, but the same goes for whites even more.

Saying that most blacks living in ghettos don't commit crime doesn't mean much, considering most people aren't criminals.

So why are you colorizing violent crime?


However, a significant portion of people in the black community are criminally oriented. Much more than any other group, and this is a major burden to everyone in society, including blacks.

I have a date to go to so I'll come back later to finish this off.